Why does a Rank 10 Chocobo heal more than a BiS SCH's Fairy?

[Rubiss]

Lol. If you bothered to look at my profile, I have a 60 scholar. I've played Sch plenty, and as everyone knows, it was OP in 3.0. The de facto healer. It was also OP in 2.x.

Perhaps the fairy potency does need bumped back up, but regardless it was nerfed because a sch could essentially swap to cleric stance and never touch a heal while the fairy functioned as the off healer.

Again, I'd like to see a source on this. But either way it's free healing that you don't even have to target. The fairy has 100% uptime, so not real sure what you mean on that. Medica II ticks every 3s while the fairy casts eveyr 3s albeit below a certain threshold.

Fun fact for you, over the course of 3 minutes a black mage will cast nearly 40 Fire IVs, meaning that the 1m 30s that fey wind would be active during that time you would get that free cast. Regardless of how many casts it takes, it's still a free speed boost that neither of the other healers have. Silence hasn't been useful since Turn 1 of Coil, but it had its place. I believe the only person embarrassing themself is the person arguing that the chocobo is too strong.

You claim to play SCH but need a source on fairy numbers? Did you level with PotD? Your ignorance is amazing. Do you actually believe that fairy stats are the same as players? If so, please leave and come back when you've educated yourself. I'm not here to explain to you, yet again, that they are not the same. If you actually have a 60 SCH (can't be bothered to checked. You could have a level 80 SCH from 5.0 and I wouldn't trust what you say with that level of knowledge), go and cast Physick then cast Embrace. Do some basic math on the numbers. What is 75% of my physick? (400 potency vs 300). If you're going to sit there and honestly say that Embrace scales 100% with a player's stats, if you're going to sit there are tell me you actually play SCH and believe that a 5k physick leads to a 3.7k Embrace, then I am actually done replying to you.

If you're not up to date on class basics, don't speak numbers and potencies with even an inkling of authority.

[GunksFoy]

Pls stop right there. Arrow exists and is infinitely better than Fey Wind.

Also, who cares about Fey Wind as a fairy "strength" when AoE Balance exists?

Fair point, Arrow is better but also based on RNG. Balance isn't a fair comparison as it's an attack boost and not a speed boost. Balance is OP, but that's not the topic here now is it?

[Lildragora]

I don't have the game in front of me right now, but the fairy is pretty comparable to Regen, or at least it was. But the fairy in 3.x could more or less solo heal most content outside raids and EX trials while the sch dps'd, and there are Sch mains all over the place claiming this. The fairy clearly needed a nerf and it got it. Even if the fairy is weak compared to Regen or whatever, the Sch is still a highly capable healer.

Not like every healer couldn't do this with regen already anyways.. the only difference was that cleric stance needed to be pressed again. But that was made up by sheer burst from holy spam + assize / gravity spam.

[GunksFoy]

You claim to play SCH but need a source on fairy numbers? Did you level with PotD? Your ignorance is amazing. Do you actually believe that fairy stats are the same as players?.

I didn't claim that they were, I asked for a source saying they were "60% of the Sch's stats" as the other person claimed. The fairy isn't exactly weak.

[Rubiss]

I didn't claim that they were, I asked for a source saying they were "60% of the Sch's stats" as the other person claimed. The fairy isn't exactly weak.

60% is not exact, but 60-70% is extremely fair. Compare Adoloquium to Embrace (was the same potency, not anymore). You'll find that it is more than half, but not that much more. Any SCH who has healed to any degree of seriousness knows that Fairies are roughly 60-70% of your stats. Not to mention, comparing 3.0 healing to 4.0 healing is a bit strange. For one, healing has gotten a lot more interesting and interactive than before. Even when I am fully synced to a lower dungeon (as in ilvl can no longer make me stronger for this content), the fairy doesn't solo heal. It wasn't that SCH was OP in 3.0, it was that 3.0 was so weak with the healing requirements, especially near the end, that you could PUG Savage just fine, even on the first week.

[Emitans]

"250" potency Embrace



150 potency Regen

[GunksFoy]

60% is not exact, but 60-70% is extremely fair. Compare Adoloquium to Embrace (was the same potency, not anymore). You'll find that it is more than half, but not that much more.

Not a serious sch, so never really paid attention. But I logged rq just to check fairy vs Regen and the fairy is still 200-300 points higher per heal than Regen after the nerf. This gap would have been somewhat wider beforehand. I don't know about the fairy's stats, they clearly aren't the same as the healer but I wanted to see a source stating the 60% figure. If there's no exact number *shrug* I'll take your word for it. But I can think of many dungeons that I'm synced into that my fairy solo heals. Anything pre-Aurum Vale, for example. While 47 and under dungeons aren't a great example, that's a counter point to ilvl sync. Several high level dungeons can be solo healed by the fairy on normal pulls as well (not counting speed pulls/huge pulls as those aren't the way the dungeon was intended), with minor assistance from the sch on bosses. Sohm Al for example. Unless people are eating AoEs, the fairy can easily handle everything except the final boss tank buster where I might swap, throw a lustrate or two and a shield, then back to dps until the next one. I will give you that healing requirements were very low, but the fact that Sch was the de facto healer and the easiest to dps and heal with shows that it was OP, at least in direct comparison to the other healers.

[Supersun]

IDK if we are talking about dungeons who even needs to heal when you have a 200 potency AoE that stuns lol.

Even in 3.X Whm was a better healer for dungeons if you had a group with actual competent DPS since things would end up dying before the Holy spam's stuns even wore off and before Sch's DoTs could even finish.

[GunksFoy]

"250" potency Embrace



150 potency Regen

This clearly has to do with gear scaling as I just logged into my 254 whm/sch and Regen hit for 1800-1900 while the Fairy was 2075-2200ish.

[Rubiss]

Not a serious sch, so never really paid attention. But I logged rq just to check fairy vs Regen and the fairy is still 200-300 points higher per heal than Regen after the nerf. This gap would have been somewhat wider beforehand. I don't know about the fairy's stats, they clearly aren't the same as the healer but I wanted to see a source stating the 60% figure. If there's no exact number *shrug* I'll take your word for it. But I can think of many dungeons that I'm synced into that my fairy solo heals. Anything pre-Aurum Vale, for example. While 47 and under dungeons aren't a great example, that's a counter point to ilvl sync. Several high level dungeons can be solo healed by the fairy on normal pulls as well (not counting speed pulls/huge pulls as those aren't the way the dungeon was intended), with minor assistance from the sch on bosses. Sohm Al for example. Unless people are eating AoEs, the fairy can easily handle everything except the final boss tank buster where I might swap, throw a lustrate or two and a shield, then back to dps until the next one. I will give you that healing requirements were very low, but the fact that Sch was the de facto healer and the easiest to dps and heal with shows that it was OP, at least in direct comparison to the other healers.

Those same pulls can be handled by a single regen, mathematically speaking. Cleric Stance complimented SCH well, but that's no longer an issue.