Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Ignnis]

Had a wonderful experience in the Rhalgars Reach dungeon last night.../sarcasm. We started, it was my first time and the tank decided to pull everything to the first moss wall. I was rather worried since mass pulling was risky in SB dungeons and this did not dissapoint. I was cure II spamming like a mad man, no break to do anything, all the cds poped, everything. Tank didn't notice anything was wrong with his hp almost hitting 0 multiple times and proceeded to do the same thing again and promptly died. This tank did not use a single cd except berserk and I found out a couple of pulls later he was in full i270 str accessories WHAT!? I naturally question this *ahem* 'interesting' choice in accessories and the reply is "oh this is the meta" at this point I just want to jump off the cliff and kill myself. Is full i270 str accessories meta on tanks? Like seriously? Are you joking?!? This combined with the tanks inability to use cds made him harder to keep alive than the dps.I just wanted to scream at this point, I only didn't leave because I felt sorry for my dps friends and I didn't want to kick for fear of not getting another tank. Half way through this train wreck the tank says " i forgot whm could use holy" couldn't tell if this was a scathing remark because I didn't dps (because I couldn't) or if he was genuinely surprised at seeing holy again (since I doubt his previous healers had the opportunity to use it). I just remained silent in party chat while crying/screaming in fc chat. If this is really the new meta I hope SE change it back again, good lord getting ptsd to old str tanks that couldn't tank pre vit change. As a comparison the next dungeon I got a pld with 43k hp, our str war had 41k hp, let that sink in.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

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I found out a couple of pulls later he was in full i270 str accessories WHAT!? I naturally question this *ahem* 'interesting' choice in accessories and the reply is "oh this is the meta" at this point I just want to jump off the cliff and kill myself. Is full i270 str accessories meta on tanks? Like seriously? Are you joking?!? This combined with the tanks inability to use cds made him harder to keep alive than the dps.
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If this is really the new meta I hope SE change it back again, good lord getting ptsd to old str tanks that couldn't tank pre vit change. As a comparison the next dungeon I got a pld with 43k hp, our str war had 41k hp, let that sink in.

Yep.
It's due to the fact that tanks no longer get attack power from vitality since stormblood.

Thus the best accessories for damage are, i270 ones.


The meta has always been, have enough hp to survive the tank busters+autos and then stack damaging stats.



This is a direct result of SE trying to forcibly change the meta by removing attack power from vit, moving it all back to str, and forcing tanks to wear fending accessories past level 60.

They can't fight the meta this way.
The meta is a result of the encounter design.

If they want the meta to change, they need to change the encounter design in a way that will have their desired effect.
Not try and force their desires via restrictions on equipment.

[Ignnis]

Why don't they just change it back to scale off vit, what was wrong with that!? ;-; Just as an off comment we had a tank in standard tank gear and the dungeon was significantly faster because she could mass pull, I could do the old regent then dps, the dps and me went to town aoe spamming and everything melted. In comparison to the meta where we wiped, couldn't do large pulls and I couldn't contribute to dps in any form. I'll take the standard tank gear tanks pls.

[Alien_Gamer]

The meta has always been, have enough hp to survive the tank busters+autos and then stack damaging stats.
This is a direct result of SE trying to forcibly change the meta by removing attack power from vit, moving it all back to str, and forcing tanks to wear fending accessories past level 60.

Yep, this is true. Sadly, its also going to teach new tanks some very harsh lessons. Tanking in low level dungeons is almost impossible now. I honestly have a harder time holding hate in lv30 and under dungeons than I did when I was at level for those dungeons in early HW. They removed so much of a tank's aggro ability with the damage changes that without tank stance tanks are putting out the same amount of aggro a dps is. If a tank doesn't use str melds then their first 30 levels are going to be a nightmare.

Even with tank stance it is noticably harder to control aggro between 35 and 50; after 50 its still easy though. But wow, you'll have to be dedicated to put up with it for those first levels if you're new to the game and/or tanking.

This is just going to teach them to stack STR acc as they level up so they have a better time holding aggro, the higher DPS will just be a bonus for them. Healers will be left holding the short end of the stick unfortunately.

As it is, as someone that hates the tank dps meta, I'm considering getting some slaying acc just so I can actually tank! Thats just....well I'm not allowed to say those thoughts.

[Ignnis]

Here's hoping that they change it back, was thinking of lvling secondary (a pld) now I'm reconsidering it. This seems like a massive oversight on SEs part. Back when tanks used to stack str you'd get 1 good str tank for every 20 bandwagoners that didn't know wtf to do, I probably had the latter, by changing one thing they've made stuff miserable for tanks and healers.

[Skyward]

Nothing overly exciting. Coming back from a two+ year break, decided to get back into tanking on an alt character. Eventually get to Tam Tara, load in, everything seems fine. Do one pull, and the Lancer immediately cries out 'big pulls pls.' ...Wasn't too keen on the idea, seeing none of us had any AoEs to make the run go any faster, so I just politely told them I'd rather pull at my own pace. ..Ended up getting kicked right before the final boss.

Tried to do the same dungeon again. We did succeed, only it took close to an hour. One of the DPS disconnected at the start and I assume the other two players were completely new. Didn't respond, not that I minded, but progress was slow. The healer kept going semi-afk and the DPS was doing.. Something. I tried to communicate still, but again, no response. The biggest kicker was that after 45 minutes the DPS logged back in as if nothing happened and killed the final boss with us.

And after allll that. No comms. </3

[Texa]

I assume the other two players were completely new. Didn't respond, not that I minded, but progress was slow. The healer kept going semi-afk and the DPS was doing.. Something.

They may have been bots. Don't call anyone a bot directly if you see them just report their names.

[ilea]

Did levelling roulette (AST) with a friend (RDM), ended up in the level 61 dungeon. Just before the final boss, there's a big mob who can drag everyone into an AoE. This is stunnable.

First time it happens, tank doesn't stun. No big deal.

Second time, tank doesn't stun. Still not a big deal, but I let him know that move can be stunned for future reference. I figure he's new. (He wasn't.)

Him: Tanks don't get a stun
Me: You actually still have one, it's in your role actions
My friend: Press p you can find it there
Him: There's better stuff to cross role
My friend: LMAO ok
Him: lmao indeed

I haven't played a tank in SB yet. But huh? I never figured stun was optional, even if there's less demand for it in SB dungeons. As a tank, that would be one of the actions I take 100% of the time, just in case.

It was his attitude that put me off the most.

[Skyward]

They may have been bots. Don't call anyone a bot directly if you see them just report their names.

Would explain a bit, but I doubt the other DPS was a bot. They looked more confused, than anything. Are there any signs to know it's a bot other than just not responding?

[Texa]

Would explain a bit, but I doubt the other DPS was a bot. They looked more confused, than anything. Are there any signs to know it's a bot other than just not responding?

-Weird movement patterns
-Only using one or two spells out of their toolkit
-Keymash usernames (not to be confused with lore accurate Seawolf Roegadyn names, they kind of look like welsh)
-They're usually archers or black mages but I've seen a few arcanists and conjurers before