A PSA to all upset tank players

[Vallamaria]

I can't help but find it funny how the ones who usually love to claim that the current situation is perfectly fine are usually Paladins. No surprises there though seeing as they're the only ones who are currently in a good position right now as far as Tanks go. So of course they're having the time of their life and have no complaints. They couldn't possibly be happier with having the situation where they used to be the least desirable Tank totally reversed.

[Umbeliel]

Thread tl;dr
OP: We are upset and we should do something about it.
Bad tanks: No
Non tanks: No
Relevant tanks: Sigh

[NinefoldRakshasa]

Thread tl;dr
OP: We are upset and we should do something about it.
PLD shitters: No
Non tanks: No
People who pretend they don't play PLD: Sigh

Fixed that for you ^^

[Umbeliel]

Fixed that for you ^^

Are we even pretending at this point lmao

[Yahallo]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...81%97%E3%81%84

I posted this link in another thread, but I felt like I should post it here as well. It seem the Japanese players also want some tank changes as well. The link is to a now 25 page thread on the Japanese Tank forums.

[YitharV2]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...81%97%E3%81%84

I posted this link in another thread, but I felt like I should post it here as well. It seem the Japanese players also want some tank changes as well. The link is to a now 25 page thread on the Japanese Tank forums.

Yeah I put my 2 cents in that thread. I basically said by returning tank damage calculation to STR, the DPS disparity between tanks and DPS will only increase, and the more DPS decreases, the more aggro will decrease and that I don't enjoy having to spam Butch'ers Block.
I got 4 likes for that lol.

This is what Google Translate says for the person who commented after me (since I'm way too lazy to translate it):

I think that it is an interpretation that I want a hate acquisition power proportional to the attack power of DPS, not to hit the DPS's attack power. . .
I think that it is already understandable that the difference between DPS's damage and tank's damage caused by the future update will be more and more different as it is the current system where the given damage is the hate acquisition amount as it is, so I think that the job as a tank is neat In order to do, it is impossible even if it is impossible to hold in future if you increase extension damage by the same ratio, or increase subparameters such as enemy sympathy + and add it to the accessory.

I think that's pretty much the view of a lot of us tanks. It's not that we want to do as much DPS as damage dealers, but rather that we feel holding hate in the future will be more difficult. And it's not necessarily true that it being more difficult will make it more fun (because it's just spamming one combo to keep hate).

[Temjiu]

I personally think that there are a number of good points in this thread:

1) Making tanking engaging and interesting is a separate thing from simply wanting more DPS: many tanks want the engaging path, and are misrepresented by the vitriol of "you don't need more DPS" People need to realize many tanks just want it interesting. There are many ways to do this...more active (or pro-active) options for defense skills is a solid approach (ala' TERA). It doesn't have to be stance dancing, and doesn't' have to be isolated to the WAR itself. But it is needed.

2) moving tank damage to STR is effectively limiting as tanks do not scale STR in a tank environment. This could be changed, or at least provide a counterbalance. we need to scale as well, even with our threat multiplier, or they eventually have to increase threat multipliers to keep up with DPS class damage, which is counter-intuitive. threat multiplier works off damage, and damage scales with STR, something tanks tend to not stack for their main role (or shouldn't have to, just like DPS shouldn't have to stack VIT). I can't say what the best solution is, but I don't think lumping us in a DPS stat for scaling our threat is a solid solution.

3) While WAR needed some re-balancing, the changes plus the transition to a new mechanic may have been too much. I can't say if Im for or against the issue with losing resource on stance switch: if they don't provide this as an option, they should at least revisit what is put in it's place. There needs to be more visibility on the rotations and CD's to make things feel more smooth. This may not sound like a big deal for some, but it is for many. The bard is a perfect example (HW version vs. SB version). But I don't think we can wait a whole expansion for results in this case.

last point I'd like to make: I played both WAR and PAL during HW and ARR, and honestly I'd like to continue playing both. out of the gate in SB, PAL felt smooth for me, WAR did not. So even though I'm current playing my PAL, I agree with much of the concerns voiced herein, and support these ideas. However, I would note that on the point of the "strike", I don't' think it will really move SE any faster to a resolution, and the only people that will suffer in the short term are the other players. just something to think about.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

So you took time to try prove a point or even a small little complaint about something you don't play? Then you ask for nerfs in msq trial in another thread? Enjoy the other primals for the story mode then lol.^_^

I HAVE tanked. I don't do it as a main. And I took time to point out you were being an ass, which you continue to be.

So again enjoy your tank nerfs <3 ^_^

[NewSinz]

PLD hate is dumb. LOL. They have been absolutely GARBAGE compared to DRK and WAR for a long time even excluded from raid groups because of their lack of mitigation against Magic Damage. They get a buff and people start crying. Let them have a bit of time in the spot light ffs. quit crying.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

I agree that PLD feels more OP than DRK and WAR, especially in dungeon... I also agree that PLD seems to be both a good MT and a good OT, while it may or may not be the case for DRK and WAR... But a friend of mine that mains DRK is way better as a tank in DRK than most PLD I've seen... I won't even argue on PLD using half of their kit, but I will argue on WAR and DRK using half their kit...

I've been leveling WAR because it has always been my heart job, but WAR actually feels smoother than ever. His dps is nerfed, true, but it still is decent enough. How in hell do y'all want to be WARs or DRKs as effective as PLDs if you don't train or try to embrace changes ? Yes, leveling up PLD is more engaging, because it had a buff, but it's not because DRK and WAR got a nerf that they're sh*t in comparison.

You were maybe fantastic WAR and DRK, but your job changed, so now, you're bad. Learn how to play, what's your cycle, and you'll be as effective as ever.

That's what every other job has been doing, and some got way worse treatment than WAR and DRK (Hello, fellow MNKs and WHMs), so get to work, and stop being whiners. Was proud of being a tank, but you guys really make it hard...