Lupin - make it a playable race!

[Ogulbuk]

Same thing can be said about the Viera thread. When people try to Discuss about why they don't want it they are wrong in doing so.
So why is it OK to want something but not OK to want something else? That's all I'm trying to say.
Let people want what they want.

My guess is because they fear developers will see the threads and decide to actually give us new stuff that they don't like.

[New_Game_Plus]

Dear gosh, no thank you.

[Abriael]

Same thing can be said about the Viera thread. When people try to Discuss about why they don't want it they are wrong in doing so.

I sure did not tell anyone not to discuss anything in this forum. It's not my place to do so. Nor is it yours.

So why is it OK to want something but not OK to want something else? That's all I'm trying to say.

You're saying that to the wrong person. For all I care, go to the Viera thread and do your worst. It won't change the fact that Viera are without a doubt a better balance between investment and returns/marketing for SE, whether you or me like them or not.

Let people want what they want.

You're entitled to want want whatever you like, as much as I am entitled to tell you why It most probably won't happen, and why it shouldn't.

[KazumaFaemura]

Snippy snap

Quite frankly your reasons for why it shouldn't are bull crap. You try to defend this game's lore like it's a baby and honestly the lore is spotty at best. As others have said there is absolutely no reason it shouldn't happen even from a story stand point and I stand by that till the end. As others have stated and I was going to bring up a brand new Au'ra that no one has ever seen before and no one bats a damn eye? I for one am sick of these races.

[Naunet]

Now...don't get me wrong. I love being a femroe. I actually changed out of mi'qote to become a femroe. But honestly? I would fantasia myself in an INSTANT to play as a Ronso.

I had to google image search Ronso but... yes! That would be amazing.

It's not about pleasing (well, I would be pleased for Lupin to be playable), but making sense. I'm not 100% sure, as I have never played as an Au Ra, but I have a feeling that not one NPC comments about what you are, despite being the only Au Ra to appear in Eorzea, with demonic looking horns and a reptilian-looking tail.

You're correct. I've quested through the MSQ as Au Ra a few times and on one bats an eye - or even makes a neutral comment. It's especially hilarious when you get to the Yugiri stuff and she's hiding her identity. That kind of thing doesn't bug me overmuch, though, as I think there are certain times when lore needs to step back from gameplay mechanics - not that I would have objected to Au Ra being introduced organically as a playable race.

Yet the last races added to WoW were werewolf, goblin and a big panda. You know why? Because they realized that the "pretty/human" base was already over-served. As a game dev myself, I would consider it a waste of resources to invest more in an already over-served segment of the player base. Attracting players that have not been catered to would be a way more wise investment of my time and resources.

Agreed 100%.

[Abriael]

Quite frankly your reasons for why it shouldn't are bull crap. You try to defend this game's lore like it's a baby and honestly the lore is spotty at best. As others have said there is absolutely no reason it shouldn't happen even from a story stand point and I stand by that till the end. As others have stated and I was going to bring up a brand new Au'ra that no one has ever seen before and no one bats a damn eye? I for one am sick of these races.

I thought you were done with me because *insert random insult here* Make up your own mind, will you?

You keep bringing up the Au Ra, ignoring the fact that the Au Ra aren't beastmen. There's absolutely nothing anywhere in the game's dialogue that conflicts with au ra being warriors of light and members of the scions. There are plenty of reasons. The fact that you don't want to accept it because you're so in love with the idea of playing a furry race that you get really heated if someone argues against it, is pretty much inconsequential.

You're also confusing the "lore" with the existing game dialogue. It's not just the lore that paints beastmen as something intrinsically extraneous to the warrior of light and the scions. It's the game's own script.

Yet the last races added to WoW were werewolf, goblin and a big panda. You know why? Because they realized that the "pretty/human" base was already over-served. As a game dev myself, I would consider it a waste of resources to invest more in an already over-served segment of the player base. Attracting players that have not been catered to would be a way more wise investment of my time and resources. However, it also has to be a skeleton that can easily get gear migration from other races and wear helmets with little or no modification.

As "a game dev yourself" (unproven, but let's give you the benefit of the doubt), you should probably realize that WoW is in an entirely different situation with its audience and resources. They have a much larger active crowd, which makes catering to smaller niches still profitable, and a lot more inertia and critical mass which means that they don't need as many marketing crutches to stay afloat. A minority of the WoW playerbase is a hell of a lot bigger than a minority of the FFXIV playerbase.

On top of that, WOW encourages alts, which means that each players will create more characters, making a higher degree of variety more beneficial. On the other hand, Final Fantasy XIV's game system are the exact opposite, actively discouraging the creation of alts, causing more to stick to vanilla/cool/handsome/cute/sexy characters, as it's their only in-game alter-ego.

If you think that a completely unknown wolf race would have a bigger or even remotely comparable promotional effect than one of Final Fantasy's most iconic races, which on top of that is about to be brought back under the spotlight by a remaster, I certainly hope for your sake that you're sticking to development and not handling the marketing of whatever game you're working on.

I would say that knife cuts both ways. Few people posting against it over and over on this kind of thread are not a real opposition either.

Interesting moot point responding to nothing, considering that no one argued that the masses are against it.

[ExKage]

You're entitled to want want whatever you like, as much as I am entitled to tell you why It most probably won't happen, and why it shouldn't.

We all know why it probably won't happen. We don't care. We still want it.

Whether or not SE takes up for what people desire is up to them. Not you.

[Rysir]

More duff

Gonna be real with you. People are more likely getting heated with you not because you argue against something they want but its because you have this clear undying desire to constantly chime in to stay relevant after already saying your piece 30 times. We heard you the first time.

It really looks like you are trying to fill this thread with repeated "it cant happen" statements to bloat your argument numbers. Disagreeing is fine but do you really need to repeat your act to every person who says they want Lupins as a race? Its not a war effort you know.

[Abriael]

Gonna be real with you. People are more likely getting heated with you not because you argue against something they want but its because you have this clear undying desire to constantly chime in to stay relevant after already saying your piece 30 times. We heard you the first time.

It really looks like you are trying to fill this thread with repeated "it cant happen" statements to bloat your argument numbers. Disagreeing is fine but do you really need to repeat your act to every person who says they want Lupins as a race? Its not a war effort you know.

Nope. It's a discussion. A discussion is by definition made of back and forth.

I'm sure you'd find it very convenient if everyone who thinks this won't or shouldn't happen just came, said their piece, and then permanently left, leaving those in support of the idea to circlepat their shoulders over and over with no opposition. But you're not doing it, so why should I or anyone else? We heard you the first time as well. Yet you're still here.

If people get heated, it's their issue, mind you. It only exposes the weakness of their arguments.

We all know why it probably won't happen. We don't care. We still want it.

Good for you, as long as you're good at dealing with disappointment. Considering how some get angry when someone dares to discuss against their ideas for a new race, I can only imagine how they'll react if SE announces something else (or nothing at all), as it most probably will happen.

Whether or not SE takes up for what people desire is up to them. Not you.

"people" is a big word. The content of this thread is hardly the expression of "what people desire." It's expresses what a few individuals desire.

[KazumaFaemura]

You really like your TLDRs

I'm not stating that they are a beast tribe and that's not the point I'm attempting to get across. I'm just saying within the confines of the game as we know now, the Au'Ra are from Doma and across the Ruby Sea, yet ours just starts as any other race. It clashes with the game as a whole.