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  1. #81
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    SCH has been OP for years now. Good to see them getting nerfed.
    Right right, so instead of attempting to bring other jobs up and improve their job kits, lets all get on the nerf SCH bandwagon.

    Remember, first SCH's are nerfed and you cheer, then your class is nerfed and someone else cheers. That's a terrible attitude to take.
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  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Remember, first SCH's are nerfed and you cheer, then your class is nerfed and someone else cheers. That's a terrible attitude to take.
    My job already got nerfed. Warrior was super OP, and frankly, I'm glad that they got hit a bit because they were just capable of doing everything. Nerfs are part of balancing, and having all jobs OP makes for really lame gameplay.
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  3. #83
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Right right, so instead of attempting to bring other jobs up and improve their job kits, lets all get on the nerf SCH bandwagon.

    Remember, first SCH's are nerfed and you cheer, then your class is nerfed and someone else cheers. That's a terrible attitude to take.
    Let it die. If enough people stop playing it, improvements will be made. Maybe since media tour they have fixed the glaring AoE issues and lack of Weave time. Maybe they have created more interaction with your fairy? You know strengthening the core of the class instead of just saying here take a multiplicative crit bonus. Enjoy your 4% crit buff that has no synergy with your job, but you know whms were screaming utility in the form of raid wide dps so here take theirs.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 06-16-2017 at 03:55 AM.

  4. #84
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    Judge_Xero's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'll be waiting until I hit savage mode before I make a say on how we are. One thing I do have to say though, people who say SCH is OP never played SCH at endgame.
    SCH was OP though. SCH DPS/Heals from Creator

    Not going to lie, I felt the 20% @ 90s CD Stratagem was a fair trade for our loss of AOE damage in comparison to AST DPS, Heals, Utility and WHM superior DPS, both ST and AOE and healing toolkit.

    But, yeah at 15% @ 120s CD coupled with the reduction to the base CRT Multiplier I'd be surprised if it makes a 2% Party DPS increase. I guess we'll see since I do like what they did with the new healing tools.

    Let's hope that SE isn't hinting at anything with the new Job Quest "The Vanishing Act" for SCH
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 06-16-2017 at 04:50 AM.
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  5. #85
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    I was one of the people asking for SCH nerfs. Some of the nerfs SCH got strike me as good like the Embrace potency reduction. The reduction in dots is also good IMO since SCH could keep up crazy single target DPS before.

    However, this is not a good change. In fact, it's so bad it undoes any benefit of the other nerfs to the game. I know Scholar brings new single target buffs now and balance should be optimized for raids, but zero thought (I refuse to believe they put any thought into the healer AoE considering how bad the product is) to balancing for the bulk of the contents isn't cool.
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    Last edited by eagledorf; 06-16-2017 at 07:57 AM.

  6. #86
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    Honestly, what they did to SCH makes WHM/AST or SCH/AST equally viable. I think Whm is going to be more viable than people think.
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  7. #87
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    Has anyone confirmed that we've lost SwiftCast? I've been informed that it's a DPS Caster only role ability rather than being a Caster/Healer role ability. I'm sure that it can't be correct because slow-raising is going to be Hell. Our fairies have had Embrace nerfed & our Physick isn't as good as Cure now. I think SCH may require adjustments early in 4.x.

    Unfortunately the Job Guide that was promised for the 15th June still has yet to appear & it's after 2am on the 16th in the UK.
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  8. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by Culfinrandir View Post
    Has anyone confirmed that we've lost SwiftCast? I've been informed that it's a DPS Caster only role ability rather than being a Caster/Healer role ability. I'm sure that it can't be correct because slow-raising is going to be Hell. Our fairies have had Embrace nerfed & our Physick isn't as good as Cure now. I think SCH may require adjustments early in 4.x.

    Unfortunately the Job Guide that was promised for the 15th June still has yet to appear & it's after 2am on the 16th in the UK.
    Should be seeing it shortly if it's on schedule. If I read the announcement correctly, it's due in about 20 min from the time of this post.
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  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    Should be seeing it shortly if it's on schedule. If I read the announcement correctly, it's due in about 20 min from the time of this post.
    Job guide is up, swift cast is still there.

    They snuck a bloody mp increase to Adloquium . . . .
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  10. #90
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    Fawkes Macleod
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skye_ View Post
    Honestly, what they did to SCH makes WHM/AST or SCH/AST equally viable. I think Whm is going to be more viable than people think.
    AST/AST only
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