About Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches change

[Fawkes]

The other possibility is that they expect people to gimp themselves for each other's benefit. Like, they think the healer will say they don't want to use esuna so then the summoner will take erase to pick up the slack for them. Or the healer will say they don't want to take lucid dream so the black mage will take mana shift to pick up the slack for them. Which sounds all kinds of terrible.

[Ootarion]

The other possibility is that they expect people to gimp themselves for each other's benefit. Like, they think the healer will say they don't want to use esuna so then the summoner will take erase to pick up the slack for them. Or the healer will say they don't want to take lucid dream so the black mage will take mana shift to pick up the slack for them. Which sounds all kinds of terrible.

Oh god no.....that would suck....:/

[Laerune]

The other possibility is that they expect people to gimp themselves for each other's benefit. Like, they think the healer will say they don't want to use esuna so then the summoner will take erase to pick up the slack for them. Or the healer will say they don't want to take lucid dream so the black mage will take mana shift to pick up the slack for them. Which sounds all kinds of terrible.

This would work when you are playing with your friends/static/fc/linkshell, but when you play with strangers this is not going to work so well. I have a hard time making certain randoms use their offensive/defensive cooldown skills, making them change their skills will alot harder.

[BunnyChain]

Homogenisation for the sake of homogenisation without much thought for the benefit or lack thereof, that's SE's healer balancing alright.

[Sylvain]

My only regret is that instead of giving us access to more new and fun cross-role skills
It is filled with a bunch of mandatory skill
While Esuna isn't reequired for everyfight, it can hardly be considered Something you don't need. Same for mana regen or barrier...

I was really hoping for more situationnal skills.

[BillyKaplan]

I'm more concerned about this from a lore point of view regarding SCH, since Leeches was 1. a skill you got through a quest, 2. was story-used in future quests. I can imagine they'd just make you cross over Esuna and use THAT, but that's just... meh.

Ideally, most healers would cross over all the defensive skills for a first time through content, or at least look it up before giving up on it, then once they know what's what they can move things about. But I think most people will either not realize they need to do that, or go full bunkers offensive from the get-go and wipe their team a couple of times depending on mechanics.

[Sylvain]

Ideally, most healers would cross over all the defensive skills for a first time through content, or at least look it up before giving up on it, then once they know what's what they can move things about. But I think most people will either not realize they need to do that, or go full bunkers offensive from the get-go and wipe their team a couple of times depending on mechanics.

But we can't even do that... beside cleric stance, there Nothing offensive we can choose. I mean, even I who is firmly against heal dps find the situation lame...
I have to say that I was expecting much more from the cross role system.
Most skills are either unusable in pve (bard mch) or so strong that they overshadow everything else (esuna, barrier, swiftcast for rez since people can die 10 times per boss fight in this game).
I was actually expecting more fun skills like rescue...
Instead they've just thrown everything we can already do and be like "ok now pick a few"

[Taika]

In theory, I like the idea of picking different role skills depending on the fight (if you need Esuna or not etc.) and setup (can have 1 healer take Protect and the other Esuna etc.). Let's see how this will work in practice.

[BillyKaplan]

(can have 1 healer take Protect and the other Esuna etc.).

Diabolos Hollow. Your Esuna-ing healer just died to an Orb and the other Healer got Doom. Granted, that depends on the fight, but healer redundancy is still important.

[Blazinhart]

By the list of role-skills I think It won't be really difficult for me to decide What tô put. I'm getting MP recover, esuna, protect, MP cost 0 (I forgot the name lol) and I still one slot left to choose. I think people are overreacting tô the changes because they Will have tô readapt to It, and mostrar were comfortable with their rotation. Só let's wait for SB and feel the changes, then give a proper feedback