Tanks and healers.

[DamianTenbe]

Now I got some nice replies. Thank you guys. Zephanoa I will agree with you on that part. It also might be a change for new players but it's also a two edged sword. It hurts the players that are seeking a little bit more of a challenge.

[DamianTenbe]

Bye.

I m pressing the matter of tanks here more. I said I'm still a bit new to forums. English isn't my native language so I could ve expressed my self in a wrong way. If this thread becomes toxic I encourage them to lock it. Not hard feelings. Next time you could at least gimme a hug or some hi would be nice. I came here for general discussion. Sorry moderators I will have to pay more attention next time.

[Hamada]

It was closed from some in the healers only heal crowd being insulting, making it hard to respond to without being insulting back. Feel free to report people that try to derail your thread, it may help. It is not your fault you want to talk about something relating to a subject people find it difficult to remain civil on.

Anyways idk about taking away the stance dance thing, I have to play he game to see if it feels too easy or not. The problem.. well a big problem with cleric has to do with the poor coding and poor response the game can have at times (thinking you clicked it off, casting a cure and still on) though they should fix the coding itself, not take cleric away. (since that effects everything)

I never felt too attached to anything in the game, I just see it as a tool, nothing else. If I feel I lost too many tools with nothing to do, ill be here in about a week commenting on that.

[DamianTenbe]

It was closed from some in the healers only heal crowed being insulting, making it hard to respond to without being insulting back. Feel free to report people that try to derail your thread, it may help. It is not your fault you want to talk about something relating to a subject people find it difficult to remain civil on.

Anyways idk about taking away the stance dance thing, I have to play he game to see if it feels too easy or not. The problem.. well a big problem with cleric has to do with the poor coding and poor response the game can have at times (thinking you clicked it off, casting a cure and still on) though they should fix the coding itself, not take cleric away. (since that effects everything)

I never felt too attached to anything in the game, I just see it as a tool, nothing else. If I feel I lost too many tools with nothing to do, ill be here in about a week commenting on that.

Thank you very much for nice input. :3

[Ayer2015]

I think most people are. Its just that SE, and Yoshi P as its proxy, seem to talk out of both sides of their mouth when it comes to healer dps. Its not "mandatory", but we are going to make it even easier for you to do. The comments about how they expect high level raiders to take advantage of healer dps doesnt help either, as the community generally looks towards that as the "right/efficient" way to play. It's tough juggling the desire to reach broader more casual audiences and keep the hardcore minority pleased. I dont envy the team when it comes to decisions like these.

I think there is a difference in what he personally sees the healer's role as and the direction development went. They have to listen to the community to some extent. Removing healer dps entirely in Duties would have gone over very badly.

[Gemina]

Btw sorry for opening that can

The thing is, you didn't. They did. Your OP was clearly about wanting Cleric Stance to remain to swap MND and INT values because you feel it is more engaging that way. That has NOTHING to do with if healers should DPS or not. We can argue that indirectly it does, but my impression of your thread is it is intended for healers who already stance dance.

Anywho, on to topic. I also was disappointed when I found out Cleric stance would change because I enjoyed the swapping and didn't have many problems with it barring latency issues, but this feeling was temporary due to those latency issues, and also realizing the benefit it brings to abilities like Lustrate, Indom, Assize, Tetra, Energy Drain and other applicable ogcd heals and DMG spells. I loved stance dancing when hard casting spells, but for the instant abilities I outright hated it, and it is part of what made Benediction soooo good.

Over all, I think it is a good thing that it's going away. We will adapt, and most likely not even miss it once we do.

[Aramina]

I m seeing a lot of comments about healers and tanks not wanting to dps. BUT what if I as a healer and tank love to dps and stance dance. I love the thrill and reward coming out of it and the decision making. I get if you don't feel save doing that and you want to play safe. BUT if they Will keep making changes that classes will be easier and straightforward I Will loose the interest to be playing the game. That's what I feel happened to wow. Sometimes making game easier isn't the solution in my opinion. It's the problem with people being strict about the playstyle not the game. I m just hoping that stance dance will still be a thing for tanks which I don't think it will be after reading the notes for SB. Anyone agree disagree? Let me know what you think.

They have to weigh who is happy with the status quo vs who will be happy if it changes. In this case they decided more people would be happy with the lack of stance dancing. It doesn't matter to me either way. I don't think pushing a button on/off to dps/heal is thrilling, and the only risk I truly found it to be was is my mouse going to wonk out and double tap it or not tap it at all.

[akaneakki]

Not going to discuss this now but there is few reasons why tank forums never have the ''dps moar'' In fact many tanks wants to increase dps and contribute to the group. This was never a thing a while back but people started getting used to it, which I think is healthy. I think like what OP said, it's silly to ''nerf'' everything, eventually it will be almost like autoplay. I think it's healthy for the game to have classes built on rewards for high skilled players, while the not very skilled players get punished. I think the gap was indeed big in heavensward but not as big as people said it was.

[DkDerek]

I love the people who cry for this thread to stop. Meanwhile bumping it with their tears.

[Coatl]