Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Allyrion]

You guys understand this kind of harassment is why we don't get parsers, right? If this goes on, one day Yoshida will just gut healer dps completely so people don't attack others over it.

Enforce your efficiency in a premade, expect the bare minimum role requirements in DF. Yes, healing is an easier role in this game if you just heal. No one said difficulty between jobs or roles will be fair or equal. I might not be happy when a run is slower because dps aren't great or the healer doesn't dps, but enforcing a strict meta on casual content is just going to create toxicity.

Toxicity that makes the developers step in to fix. And in this game, they will always side with the more casual players who are actually the majority (though the rude, indignant ones are a minority). Just be happy healers are overpowered and some can speed runs along, and stop worrying about some effort equation for the party.

I know we will probably never get an in-game parser or support for addons but you all are showing them exactly why they think we shouldn't. So what else will you all take away, because you felt you just had to tell someone they're not trying hard enough?

[Arkdra]

I know we will probably never get an in-game parser or support for addons but you all are showing them exactly why they think we shouldn't. So what else will you all take away, because you felt you just had to tell someone they're not trying hard enough?

The people that want parsers already have them and, spoiler alert, already vote kick based on dps performance.

If SE decides to put an end to healer dps because the design decisions that SE has made has led to the general ostracization of garbage tier healers who slack off in dungeons, then so be it. Until such a time, I don't have to put up with some essentially afk scrub.

[Lambdafish]

You guys understand this kind of harassment is why we don't get parsers, right? If this goes on, one day Yoshida will just gut healer dps completely so people don't attack others over it

Harassment is the wrong word and implies that zero-dps healers are the victim, try toxicity and division. No matter what side you are on, both sides are accountable to the divide.

[Allyrion]

Harassment is the wrong word and implies that zero-dps healers are the victim, try toxicity and division. No matter what side you are on, both sides are accountable to the divide.

It is harassment though. If someone tells a healer in a dungeon NOT to dps that's harassment too. I'm using the term in the same way they talk about harassment with parsers. There would be no conflict if no one makes a complaint. Of course there's a significant difference in the complaint if the person doesn't fill their role requirements (which is needed for a clear) or if they perform efficiently (good dps or healer/tanks optimizing dps).

In most cases, one asking the healers to dps creates the conflict. Some reply rudely or sometimes there are healers who tell tanks not to speed run before anyone says anything, this creates conflict too. Whoever imposes their playstyle in a DF group beyond the bare minimum are the ones who harass.

This is coming from someone who likes to dps as a healer and min-max as a dps. I don't particularly blame others for the frustration of healers not dpsing or the healers who feel they shouldn't. I blame the content for have so much downtime. This is a design issue and the conflict is just a symptom. However, until it is fixed the ones who antagonize the issue aren't helping. That is, telling others that their playstyle is wrong mid-clear when there's no issue clear. If it's just advice that's fine and if they don't take it then that's fine too.