Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
My argument has always been that people advocating "dps or get kicked" should stay out of the duty finder, because overwhelmingly the PUG's are not raiders.
Reading your response, I actually understand 100% where you're coming from. And yes, I understand that given your skills and abilities, you are doing your best. Also, even though I like to play optimally myself, I do enjoy chat banter and that explains a lot of the idle moments, if you were chatting.

If you want people to listen to your position more seriously, you should understand there are raiders and those who like to play optimally. A raider does not automatically mean they are "push to the limit" players, I know many raiders who were carried in their group and quite frankly, they aren't that good of players. In contrast, I know many non-raiders who are very "push to the limit" players and are amazing players. You shouldn't just generalize by saying raiders ruin the game. Let's make it clear that if a player is ignoring mechanics because they want "l33t deeps" and dying because of it, they are a bad player. Given that, I have intentionally taken avoidable damage for increased uptime, but I'll never put myself in any risk of dying. Also I do this playing any job role, not just DPS. Like you were saying earlier, it's all situational.

I know this is anecdotal but in all my personal experience playing since beta and being on a server where there were many top-end raid FCs and playing with many of them, they don't show negative attitude when running df content. If anything, the group is relieved and feel the run goes easier because of the knowledge, experience and skills the raider brings to the party. Now that's not to say there aren't any bad apples, there certainly are, but bad apples are all over the place and not exclusive to "raider elitists." In conclusion, I would stop the hate on raiders as a group and say what they actually are, bad players and you might get more people to see your position without them being defensive.