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  1. #21
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    Jinrya-Geki's Avatar
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    Jinrya Geki
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    That's fine and dandy, but nothing addresses the point I made. Magic DPS will, if nothing is done about it, become inferior to melee DPS sooner than later. Stagger mechanics are the perfect way to counter this, as you don't have to do anything about the inferior damage, you simply add some other utility to the job instead.
    So which kind of stagger do you want? The one from XIII, where you stun lock the enemy by tossing them in the air, or just hit them to stop attacking while staggered?

    We have the in a way, it's paralyze, but it sucks at the moment. Enfeebles need to be more effective. Maybe at one point we could get the spell stop?

    It's your choice to be a class to stagger if you want, but to me personally I want to be a magic damage dealer. I don't like being a support/healer, I can't do it, I fall asleep from boredom. 1,20 hopefully beefs up magic damage. If not 1.20 maybe 1.21. If by 1.21 as a black mage I still only do 200 damage against a mob only 2 levels above me, I am gonna be very upset.
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    Captain Lalafist
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    Odin
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    Arcanist Lv 82
    So which kind of stagger do you want? The one from XIII, where you stun lock the enemy by tossing them in the air, or just hit them to stop attacking while staggered?
    Build up a meter which, when full, allows the DPS jobs to deal more damage until the meter drops down again.
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  3. #23
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    Rhomagus Asclepiot
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    I would think that Dragoon would be LNC (primary) MRD (Secondary) considering the information.

    Taking into account Dragoon will be CRIT focused, MRD has innate abilities that lean towards CRIT attacks like Murderous Intent that boost critical hit rate. Also most MRD weaponskills are worded in a way as if they focused on raw power rather than precision. Words like "devastating" "fierce" "vicious". It all depends on how you look at Critical though I guess.

    I see Critical as pulling off a hit that should've missed. Reminiscent of Deathblow from VII. MRD in general feels like this when you play it.

    Some may see a Critical hit making a normal attack hit that "sweet spot" improving it's efficacy. Much like a prize fighter finding an opening (or making one) in an enemies defenses and taking advantage before the enemy realizes it.

    In the end, what makes me lean towards MRD is that it has the native critical boost ability Murderous Intent, while Pugilist lacks a native critical hit ability.
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  4. #24
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    Yjrn Eruyt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    You need LNC + another class leveled (30 and 15 respectively I guess) to unlock DRG. Then, LNC and DRG share the same exp, while DRG may have some skills from the other class.
    Sorry for not asking that question as fellow lancer, but well... i was a little agitated, you catch my drift.

    I was like: "Should i ask him, should i... should i?!" and then i was like: "Too late..."

    I was busy with hiding my stupid smile as terms like: "high dmg" and "crits" fell... Had to fake seriousness!
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    Monk Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhomagus View Post
    I would think that Dragoon would be LNC (primary) MRD (Secondary) considering the information.

    Taking into account Dragoon will be CRIT focused, MRD has innate abilities that lean towards CRIT attacks like Murderous Intent that boost critical hit rate. Also most MRD weaponskills are worded in a way as if they focused on raw power rather than precision. Words like "devastating" "fierce" "vicious". It all depends on how you look at Critical though I guess.

    I see Critical as pulling off a hit that should've missed. Reminiscent of Deathblow from VII. MRD in general feels like this when you play it.

    Some may see a Critical hit making a normal attack hit that "sweet spot" improving it's efficacy. Much like a prize fighter finding an opening (or making one) in an enemies defenses and taking advantage before the enemy realizes it.

    In the end, what makes me lean towards MRD is that it has the native critical boost ability Murderous Intent, while Pugilist lacks a native critical hit ability.
    supposedly blindside gives 100 % crit from the back, though it doesnt say that in description.

    another possibility is /archer for hate management, and i guess hate management with a couple buffs. It would also give archer a sub, which might be hard to find elsewhere.
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  6. #26
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    Airget Lamh
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    People have mentioned wanting a dragon pet for the Dragon knight class but they say it would be OP. But what if the Dragon was just like a companion that followed you around and because of it's connection it gave you strength. It wouldn't have the ability to do anything in battle but it would give a unique flavor to being a Dragon knight. I'm sure people wouldn't mind just having a customizable dragon by your side that you could customize to your liking lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airget View Post
    People have mentioned wanting a dragon pet for the Dragon knight class but they say it would be OP. But what if the Dragon was just like a companion that followed you around and because of it's connection it gave you strength. It wouldn't have the ability to do anything in battle but it would give a unique flavor to being a Dragon knight. I'm sure people wouldn't mind just having a customizable dragon by your side that you could customize to your liking lol.
    Just say that you want a cosmetic dragon.
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  8. #28
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    Silvano Conri
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Airget View Post
    People have mentioned wanting a dragon pet for the Dragon knight class but they say it would be OP. But what if the Dragon was just like a companion that followed you around and because of it's connection it gave you strength. It wouldn't have the ability to do anything in battle but it would give a unique flavor to being a Dragon knight. I'm sure people wouldn't mind just having a customizable dragon by your side that you could customize to your liking lol.
    Regarding this: A Final Fantasy XIV.eu post.
    Quote Originally Posted by Finalfantasy14.eu

    The next upgrade concerns the dragoon knight. Will he be accompanied of his own dragoon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki yoshida
    During this interview tour we have received that question often and to be honest we are considering adding a pet class in the future. So we were not thinking of adding a pet to the current class, but because we received this question so many times we will start thinking about it differently. Its very tricky because dragoon knight is supposed to be very strong because it has the dragons power but if you have the dragons power together then the dragoon and pet will be very hard to balance. Having a pet as well as having the power of the dragon is very tricky to balance.
    I would much prefer the "dragoon knight is supposed to be very strong because it has the dragons power" and the JPGAMES.DE responses from Yoshida for Dragoon (aka Pet-less). I'm going to dev-tag this, share your opinions.
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  9. #29
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    no dragon pet, eat and kill dragons as a dragoon. Do you guys really want to nerf your dmg so you can be a pet class? really? you sure?
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    Syrous Vii
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    Lancer Lv 50
    SE had a real hard time balancing DRG in XI simply because of the wyvern. It's not like DRG was overpowered or even came close to it, most of the time, it's just the idea that it could be that always made them hold back on giving DRG good damage dealing abilities and WSs. Tbh I don't want that in XIV, I'd rather have a solid DD that will be useful and good at performing its given role. As much as I loved Rygor in FFXI, I'm not looking forward to another 3 to 4 years of stigma towards my favorite job in the FF universe...
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