Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Elim]

I watched a dungeon boss fight for stormblood and the party took so little damage that one medica two and a few cures would have been enough for the whole fight. Now I hope it was undertuned just to showcase the new skills, but I kind of doubt it. I've said it millions of times; healing is extremely easy in this game. If the devs upped the amount of consistent damage, or nerfed healing skills, or both, we would barely see debates like this. Because then healers would be busy healing. It doesn't even need to be intense healing. Just consistent healing. People simply get upset when a healer does nothing for a decent chunk of a dungeon and I don't foresee that changing.

[Fyce]

This is beautiful. Did you make it?

I sure did.

There just happen to be 3 others nearby working towards the same thing lol.

That's ultimatly the same thing whenever you play with other people.
You all work towards a common goal. If someone isn't pulling their weight, then the others are in their rights to bring that up. It's then up to them to decide if they want to carry that player or if they want to get rid of him/her.
No amount of Yoshi-P quotes will change the fact that the community itself decides how to deal with that kind of behavior.

Besides, that's the same in a lot of games.
Take Overwatch for example. If you pick Ana, you have a sniper rifle that can heal your teammates, or deal damage to the enemy, depending who you are shooting.
Well, if your team doesn't need some heal and you can shoot a few rounds at baddies, then you'll probably do it, right? I mean, killing the other team is the common goal you share with your teammates.

If only people could understand that before being a "healer", or even a "support", they are a player trying to reach a common goal with their teammates, and thus should to what's in their reach to make sure everything goes the best way it can. And being a "pure healer" doesn't achieve that.

Being a bad player cannot make someone a good healer.

At least that's my take on it.

[kattzkitti]

You LITERALLY went for the personal attack first by attempting to insult my intelligence. Are you for real right now?

You actually expect me to take you seriously when you just keep repeating the same thing, worded a different way, as if that's a new response?

[missybee]

You actually expect me to take you seriously when you just keep repeating the same thing, worded a different way, as if that's a new response?

Your last argument was that if I decide to queue for an expert roulette, for instance, I am implicitly agreeing to be paired up with whatever randos get thrown at me. I 100% agree with that - that is true. I am not contractually obligated to stay with them for the entirety of a run, however.

When I say that "the reverse is also true," what I mean, for instance, is that I could queue up and get matched with three of the biggest elitists who will have different expectations of me and kick me as a result of not meeting them.

Frankly, I don't care whether you do or do not take me seriously. From your previous responses, it seemed like what I was saying wasn't making sense to you, so I am trying to word my arguments more carefully so that you maybe can consider entertaining an opposing viewpoint.

[ShanaMia]

I think some of you guys are taking it way to seriously.

Well, no. What he's saying is that if you're doing the bare minimum, you don't really deserve any actual praise or qualify to call yourself "good" at something. Expecting otherwise is like if you were working in a kitchen with other people making a full-course meal and then going "Well, I washed the lettuce like I was told! Praise me, I'm good at my job!" despite other people doing all the other work because you didn't take the initiative to do anything outside of what Head Chef Bob told you to do (washing the lettuce) and instead interpreted the lack of further required tasks as "chill mode time".

I've no problem with people wanting to play super casually. Just be aware of where you actually are in terms of proficiency and don't get mad if people call you mediocre at your job.

[HappyHubris]

If Yoshi P wants the community to be comfortable with healers who just heal he should tune content to require attentive healing. Otherwise people will expect DPS from all the unused healing GCDs. Alternately, make MP management severely limiting so healers have a firm choice between healing and damage.

I firmly prefer "healers only heal" in MMOs, but that requires challenging content.

[Mimilu]

Come on guys, Yoshi-P doesn't expect healers to dps doesn't mean you healers can't dps and you non-healers can't expect healers to dps. Yoshi-P doesn't pay our subs!

It's not a matter of our ability to DPS, it a matter of other healer's DPSing and adding to the run.
Even if it wasn't his intention, he is giving people an excuse to do only the bare requirement of their job.
He's giving people an excuse to not have to contribute to the dungeon run 100% versus DPS or Tanks, who have are expected to.
He's giving people an excuse to emote spam and jump around, not contributing anything beyond the odd heal here-and-there.
Those of use who are annoyed with this are because he is giving people free reign to coast and, to a more horrible extent, be carried.

Implicitly. Learn the definition of the word and then re-read my post.

How can you say there such an agreement then if it is implied?
Someone could easily say that they did not get such an implication, which there wasn't one to begin with.

[kattzkitti]

Why are you Quoting things i have never said like its an argument against my statement,

Is your name attached to those quotes? No? I wonder why that is...

My point isn't the opinions of the Development team its literal terms of services and rules of the Vote to kick function,
Fact I can kick you because of your individual playstyle choices,

You are factually wrong, period. Like, there isn't even a debate to be had here.

How can you say there such an agreement then if it is implied?
Someone could easily say that they did not get such an implication, which there wasn't one to begin with.

I know common sense is a rare trait on the internet, but please, at least try to have some.

[TamurilRains]

Well the tool to fix the problem is to vote kick them, actually.

Thanks! I'll be sure to remember that next time I'm in a group with someone who whines about "dead weight" you know all that energy whining about other people's playstyles could be put to use actually doing your role, which of course is damage and a ninja no less....I rest my case.

[Alysrea]

If Yoshi P wants the community to be comfortable with healers who just heal he should tune content to require attentive healing. Otherwise people will expect DPS from all the unused healing GCDs. Alternately, make MP management severely limiting so healers have a firm choice between healing and damage.

I firmly prefer "healers only heal" in MMOs, but that requires challenging content.

I 100% am on board with this, I love content that requires a healer to Focus primarily on healing, I want healers to spend 100% of their time healing (or at least 80% healing and 20% individual fight mechanics) but this game just isn't in a state that requires that at the moment and why yes that is the fault of the developers that they haven't turned the game to give healers a more important focus on healing that does not validate a reason for them to be lazy and do nothing in between healing.