Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Penthea]

DPS IS NOT MANDATORY FOR HEALERS! To state otherwise is nothing more than your opinion....not fact or intended game design!

Lets be honest here. If there is very little to heal or if the dps is very tight, healers will still be expected to dps.

It's a case of as long as the game mechanics allow for healers to dps then they will always be expected to when they can.

Unless the mana efficiency of dps or healing has dropped considerably, I don't think the community will see much difference in what is expected of healers.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If healers don't DPS I tend to ignore my defensive cooldowns. I like to provide my healer with more job that way. ^^

I'm sorry but this is foolish and petty.

"If healers don't [do something beneficial but optional], I tend to [not utilize tools of my job meant for proper execution of my primary role.] I like to [complicate my healer's primary role for not performing something secondary to it] that way."

You'd be the very reason they're discouraged from dpsing, and all out of some foolish sense of spite.
Here's a tip: when you do your job properly, it allows the rest of the party to not only do theirs properly, but possibly do more. And even then it's still optional.

[Valsh]

The content in the game is designed to be beaten without the healer doing damage. Doesn't mean that they shouldn't be doing damage.

Just like how you can beat that same content with 3/4 of your damage dealers doing proper damage and the last guy doing 50% of what he's capable of. A party being successful is based on the sum of its parts.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. You've got damage buttons, you don't always need to be healing, press them. Why wouldn't you want to weave in other abilities during downtime, the game is more fun if you've got something to do.

[Neophyte]

Yoshi stated during a previous live letter that healer dps was not included in the dps checks when Raids were being tested. Every content is 100% clearable without healer DPS. He also stated that healer DPS can be used to make up the difference if actual DPS weren't bringing enough of it. Healer DPS is a bonus to helpclear content, not a requirement. In early stages of savage content I'm sure it can make a difference in a clear or not, just like tank dps can but once people get used to the content and are not undergeared for it, then healer DPS doesn't make as much of a difference.

By design healer DPS is not required, its a bonus. As long as the party lives, I don't really care if the healer does dps or not. Its a nice bonus but I won't be bothered by the dungeon taking an extra 5 min to complete.

But using Virus/E4E or Raising as SMN or Apok as BLM or Divine Veil as PLD or MP/TP/Foe Song as BRD or Goad/Shadewalker as NIN is also optional... and I know quite a few occasions were a player gets yelled at in harder content for not using those abilites, especially if it would have prevented a wipe. Esp. SMN with Raise or Songs as BRD.

Should we even argue with people who refuse to use those things?
Now in Stormblood we get even more of those optional stuff and I for myself hope at some point, that the community expects the use of certain abilities in certain situations/trials.

The only difference is the commonness of situations were you can do "optional" things. But pretty much every role is expected to use them (especially if they're experienced players), the harder the content the more they should try to.

Why and when should a BRD play an "optional" song and why and when should a healer do "optional" dps? The answer is pretty much the same: Whenever it makes sense and they are able to.

What does a healer who is not dps-ing in Spehiroth for a whole of 50s where no damage at all is coming in because of colour buffs? 50 SECONDS! Only running around and "oh, I am green, me go front" or "broooown, me go left"? Wow.

Start of A9n/s, 15s without anything happening? Let's see how often I can run around refurbisher, yay.

And why give DPS Bloodbath at all? Isn't this kinda senseless, if people are intended to be healed by a healer?

Manaward/-wall for Blackmage? If the BLM needs to stay in an AoE instead of using those abilities he should yell at the SCH for not pre-shielding him?
"His job is to shield and only because he's not doing his job "right" I have to use my "optional" shield ability? Nope, sir."
And a SCH not dps-ing has all the MP and time to put up a single Adloquium on everybody all the time, just saying.


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People should just stop with this BS and at least try to use the full potential of their job. Yes, dungeons and other low-difficult content are one side and often enough I don't care as long as the run gets over. But this drags over to the harder content as well and the excuses are pretty much the same.
If you do the latest ex primal or similar you either try your best and try to get even better or, well, just buy the clear. Some principles won't let you do it? gtfo.

[Felis]

Tbh I think I'd fall asleep if I didn't DPS. I don't get how other healers can just stand around doing nothing until someone takes damage. It's so boring!

Play AST, then you can play with cards during those moments

[Imakun]

I don't understand Healers that refuse to use their DPS capabilities. Take dungeons, they're already boring as hell with me helping DPS to make it go faster.. if I couldn't DPS it would mind numbing.
I loved playing a healer in XI, with its slower combat system that required fast reactions from the healing jobs as it had no telegraphs and giant marks. It was fun, it was challenging.. and our DPS was crap unless you were a SCH or something.

But XIV has a more dynamic and fast environment, healer jobs have more than enough tools to contribute in more than one way with buffs and damage. You have damaging spells and lots of downtime. Do the math.

[Taika]

I only have one question:

Why should it matter to anyone's gameplay what Yoshi P says about anything?

Actually, I also have a second one:

If Yoshi P would say one shouldn't be expected to sing as a Bard, or use ninjutsu as a Ninja, would you support that as well?

Yet again both of these points are mute. A healer heals...a tank tanks and a DPS is to DPS. Anything above that in your opinion, NOTHING ELSE!

So a tank doesn't have to DPS, a BRD doesn't have to sing and a RDM doesn't have to raise and so on?

Nevertheless, it may be better per se, but that doesn't change the fact both are technically acceptable. After all, we are given 90 minutes to complete a dungeon. As long as we finish within that time frame, it's successful as far as the devs are concerned. That's the problem with the bare minimum argument. No one likes when DPS or Tanks utilize half their kits but seem to be okay when healers do it. I, personally, don't expect raiders in my DF. I do expect an equal amount of effort. If you can't be arsed to press a GCD every 2.5 seconds, well, I may not be arsed to carry you through content. Why should I do all the work when you aren't willing to equally contribute?

<3

[Niyuka]

Healers not DPSing when there is nothing much to do, and the incoming damage is not a surprise tankbuster nobody knew about, will always get flak from me for being lazy. The same goes for tanks not doing anything but spamming their aggro combo when they are far ahead, and DPS not using their self-healing/support abilities and/or not dodging avoidable damage.

I dont care if that triggers/offends/hurts anybody, I dont consider the bare playable minimum of effort to be acceptable, and the race to the bottom is something I dont intend to play with. If you happen to be in my duty finder roulettes, and lazy, you ll not get a commendation, and a kickvote if its really blatant.


I mean, this discussion is ridiculous, we have so many people here advocating for the least possible effort. 90 minutes is the dungeon timer? Really? Yoshi P says something we can PROVE is not correct the last time he said it? You really need a game designer to give you permission to slack and near-fail?

Whatever happened to trying to be good at something we all spend so many hours doing in our leisure time?

[Oscura]

My favorite threads or posts are when someone quotes or refers to something Yoshi-P said to "settle" an argument, which is usually either just solely his opinion or something that shows he's clearly out of touch with his own game. Then again, he's also had the balancing team call him to correct his verbal mistakes on skills during LLs, so why am I not even surprised?

[Xlantaa]

Why you continue opening this post if no one of you will agree never? People in the end will play as they like. If not, they just will stop play. Simple as that. If you attack a player for not play as you like will happen one of this things. The player will stop play, or he simply ignores you.

Sorry to say, but the rule "Healer must DPS" is a community invented rule demanded by the 1% of the people who plays. It is not even a rule at all. So why still continue the discussion? I've never seen a healer being kicked for not DPS in a single dungeon. Most people is ok with a healer not DPSing. Because most people don't enter Reddit/Forums at all. The game says "You're a healer" and the people says "Ok". You can call all the only healing healers lazy all you want, it won't happen anything. As much you will find a game master telling you stop insult others if you say something rude in a dungeon.

It is a game, not a job.