Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Erys]

I am not even going to resort to how I view this post....and if I did it come laden with vulgar statements on my opinion on your intelligence with a mixture of views on your observations of facts. You can take what I would say from that context!

Oh, you would resort to insults to my intelligence because I challenged your views. Just because you take the word of YoshiP as true, a person that is basically enabling one team player to earn the prize without working with the team.
That'd be your boss giving your paycheck to his son instead and you having no say in it because it would hurt their son's feelings and they would throw a hissy fit and spout bad words at you :c

[Pomelo]

Yoshi-P is quite right. DPSing as a healer is entirely optional.

It is also entirely optional to have such healers in my party, and so I will continue to kick any player who think doing the bare minimum of their job is acceptable.

I don't care what anyone may try to argue, healers who refuse to DPS cannot be called good healers. They're substandard at best.

This, I wouldn't dare go into a group and not at least try DPSing...its not exactly hard either. It's even easier now attack magic potency is Mind based >.>

[Deviru]

Man, this thread is moving fast. Anyway, here's my useless two cents, since I'm sure someone totally cares--

I agree with Yoshi-P for saying that healers shouldn't be expected to DPS. That said, the changes make it easier than ever to DPS, and you very much will be idling for half of the fights if not longer if you don't DPS. Either way, I'm not going to kick someone for not DPSing in a dungeon. It's not worth causing a ruckus, nor do I think I have the right to kick someone just because they're making me spend an extra five, maybe ten minutes in dungeon. Your 12.99, your choice (provided you aren't being an asshole to other party members.)

However. With that said. Healers that only heal really do have to accept that their playstyle IS inferior. If you get mad when people tell you you're a bad healer or that you're lazy when you make the choice to not DPS when you already understand the encounter and know when the proper time for DPSing would be, you are, in fact, a worse healer than one that manages to keep the party alive AND squeezes in their DoTs and a couple Broils/Malefics/Stones. That's just a fact, no real debate to be had there. If you're cool with that, then cool. Just don't get mad at people for stating facts (I'm seeing a lot of that in this thread.)

Honestly, though, for me, healing without DPSing is so mind-numbingly boring, I don't really get people that choose not to do it. But I don't have to understand them to choose not to kick them from a party when finding a new healer queue'ing in progression would probably take longer than simply keeping your mouth shut and trudging through the dungeon would.

Edit: Consider, for example, a Dragoon that never uses Heavy Thrust. Maybe they're doing everything else perfectly, following their rotation to a T, and doing decent damage. But they're missing out on a 15% damage increase that would be exceedingly easy for them to utilize. Is it worth kicking them from the party for not using it? Probably not. Hell, maybe they're even doing decent damage if they keep all of their other buffs up. Are they still inferior to a Dragoon that does all of those things AND includes Heavy Thrust upkeep? Yep, sure are.

[TheRealMadruck]

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Yet again, I understand your opinion...but that is all that it is....opinion. Not actually how the game was designed to be played. Anything outside that context is pointless. You have a every right to play however and with whomever meets your standards, but you have no right to expect or demand everyone to comply with your mandate contrary to actual game design. Leave it at that.....

[Hamada]

I am not even going to resort to how I view this post....and if I did it come laden with vulgar statements on my opinion on your intelligence with a mixture of views on your observations of facts. You can take what I would say from that context!

The post you are quoting is correct though, he does not seem to understand or know how much downtime healers really have.

Would love to see what he says about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...youtu.be&t=557

Or the fact how a shield healer manage to outheal a regen healer, while doing more DPS then 2 DPS, a tank, a LB where said LB out damaged the pure healer.

Pure healers are unskilled is the bottom of things, the reason for this is quite simple. They do not put in effort in remembering scripted fights to know when healing is needed, so they overheal a lot thinking it may be needed at some point. Good healers learn when to DPS and when to heal, this is how DPS healers manage to outheal pure healers to begin with.

Are you willing to kick out a DPS using just heavy thrust once a minute? because you can clear DFs with that too.

[Altena]

I just don't understand why you wouldn't at least try to play the game efficiently.. Why play a game if you aren't at least trying to be a better player?
It really doesn't matter what Yoshi says. The current game's systems allow for a lot of time to cast offensive spells which significantly decreases the time that mobs stay alive.
Less mobs / faster something dies = less healing to do.

It's that simple.
DPSing on a healer is more efficient. Good healers keep the party alive and help kill things.
Why stop at "average" and not strive to be "good" ?

[Mature]

Thats what the class its about to HEAL.

people forcing others to dps need a reality check ASAP. dpsing as a healer is OPTIONAL and NOT mandatory.

And please stop bringing IDIOTIC examples like : "what about when there's a moment where there's nothing to heal? They should dps..." NO they should NOT. It's up to them what they want to do.

Get real

[MistakeNot]

Yet again, I understand your opinion...but that is all that it is....opinion. Not actually how the game was designed to be played. Anything outside that context is pointless. You have a every right to play however and with whomever meets your standards, but you have no right to expect or demand everyone to comply with your mandate contrary to actual game design. Leave it at that.....

Intent behind game design and actual game design are different things. Yoshi-P's opinion is also just that ... opinion. (His opinion just happens to matter a lot more than mine for purposes of game development.)

The way the game is actually designed (as opposed to how it may have been intended) it practically screams for healers to do dps from time to time.

[Hamada]

I just don't understand why you wouldn't at least try to play the game efficiently.. Why play a game if you aren't at least trying to be a better player?
It really doesn't matter what Yoshi says. The current game's systems allow for a lot of time to cast offensive spells which significantlydecreases the time that mobs stay alive.
Less mobs / faster something dies = less healing to do.

It's that simple.
DPSing on a healer is more efficient. Good healers keep the party alive and help kill things.
Why stop at "average" and not strive to be "good" ?

I think it is just trolling at this point, it is quote clear the TC was looking for a fight vs trying to be helpful

Thats what the class its about to HEAL.

people forcing others to dps need a reality check ASAP. dpsing as a healer is OPTIONAL and NOT mandatory.

And please stop bringing IDIOTIC examples like : "what about when there's a moment where there's nothing to heal? They should dps..." NO they should NOT. It's up to them what they want to do.

Get real

Would you kick out a drg doing heavy thrust once a minute? Just heavy thrust in a full minute, nothing else but auto attack within those 58 or so other seconds.

[AsukaHamano]

This whole debate keeps bringing up "Lazy Healers" simply because they don't, or do very little, DPS.

I agree that for END GAME RAIDING yes DPS is a nice thing to look into as healers simply because in raids the damage is either group Cure3/Medica2 throws or Benediction/Tetra on tank busters plus you have the fun of having TWO HEALERS. But again, that's for RAIDING. Not every player goes into raiding, in fact raiders are a minority simply because FFXIV is more casual than HC when it comes to content.

As for seeing healers who cure every 10 seconds and emote spam the rest, if you found them in DF then duh (You HAVE played FFXIV and seen the healers in DF right?) of course there's going to be that one guy. Getting one bad healer (as per your opinion ofc) in a dungeon doesn't mean that ALL healers play like that.

Ultimately it doesn't REALLY matter what YoshiP says on the matter simply because it comes down to each healer.

End-Gamer's say DPS, Weekenders say don't DPS.
Its a game, have fun how you dictate. Get T R I G G E R E D by random scrub healers who wont goshdang dps in your roulette run? Get a healer friend and play with them instead! ^^