Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[TheRealMadruck]

Ok, so if dps is not mandatory for healers, then i will choose as a tank to stop dpsing, if i will be far ahead in my aggro next time.
My Job as a tank is to hold aggro and lower incoming damage for me and the rest of the group.
So it is ok for you, if i will be lazy and do nothing but 1-2-3 Combo every 30 secs to hold aggro?
Why you tolerate a lazy healer, who do nothing but heal (mostly overheal) and go dance in no damage phases?
Will you tolerate the lazy tank too? I think i wouldnt tolerate that tank.

It does not matter what I tolerate or what you tolerate....those are both mine and yours opinion!
You have a right to voice yours and I have a right to voice mine, but Yoshi P is the game director and whatever he puts into the game is exactly how it was designed to be played as. Even you do not like it and you try to put some "O as long as the tank has aggro he should just stand there" to make your opinion correct....it isn't based that but on one simple fact, WE ARE NOT THE GAME DESIGNERS OR THE GAME DIRECTORS THAT CHOOSES HOW THE GAME IS TO BE PLAYED! We are players....nothing more needs to be said....next!

[TorchicEX]

And some people get paid more to do less work than you do. That's life.
Oh and some people are much smarter than 'you'(as in the reader) as well, making better gameplay decisions with less the brain power.(or the exact opposite{not as smart})
If you truly think a healer should heal and dps; why dont you think a paladin should tank, dps, and pass out stoneskins/protects to everyone? Just because its part of the toolkit, that doesnt make it required. It also does not make it "lazy"
Also seeing as people are saying why is it fair healers do less.. Well, If you f$#k up as a healer we ALL die. So uh.. maybe thats why? Its optional.

Thank you that is well said. He didn't say healers didn't have to DPS, just that they aren't required to DPS. They can do it to their hearts desire but content was made since 2.0 that healer DPS is not being required.

[SaitoHikari]

For me, I don't particularly care if the healer is DPSing or not, but they better be casting SOMETHING every chance they get. Just casting a heal every 5 seconds while jumping all over the damn place waiting for something to happen is quite frankly unacceptable. If I see that, they forfeit any right to complain about the performance of their own fellow party members, for if they aren't legitimately trying their hardest, what right do they have to expect the others to try their hardest for them?

This game rewards being proactive and efficient. I find that with the difficulty of most of the dungeons, I typically use my healing abilities in a way that lets me force open windows to DPS without any risk of anyone in the party dying. Even better if my damaging skills actually STOP enemies from hurting the tank too much, which is why I tend to favor WHM over the other two healers. What's better, letting those two slimes in Sohm Al HM explode and forcing you to cast Medica 1-2 times, making all of your party members panic a bit and costing you roughly ~2k MP to restore everyone's HP, or throwing out a Holy to damage everything AND interrupt their Blaze cast in the first place, which only costs ~1.5k MP with no damage to your party members' HP AND taking off a good chunk of enemy HP?

Sometimes, I wonder if people have forgotten how to be practical in this game. The concept of DPSing is consistently framed as a selfish thing, but I see it as helping other people help you. (Of course, that's also why I tend to main Bard too.)

[CosmicKirby]

Is this debate as strong in the japanese forums? I just want to know.

Not from what I've ever seen, no. Like, not even a thing.

[Powercow]

My Job as a tank is to hold aggro and lower incoming damage for me and the rest of the group.

What? No, no it's not. Your job is to hold the monster's attention. The healers are the ones who need to watch your HP. Don't hit any defensive cooldowns, dodge anything except instant kill mechanics, or worry about the rest of the group's well-being. Your defensive cooldowns exist solely to help you in open world content to complete the main story quests.

[Neophyte]

Yet again both of these points are mute. A healer heals...a tank tanks and a DPS is to DPS. Anything above that in your opinion, NOTHING ELSE! FF14 has a very specific way it was designed.....even if you want to ignore the facts about it. That is all that needs to be said...NEXT!

All what matters is that people can be kicked out of every party finder group as soon as the party creator wants it. It's intended and designed that way (and you can't report someone kicking you out of group. Party creator is even allowed to say "play job X or you have to go".).

How much does Yoshi-P's opinion count here?

[Seoulstar]

And of course when even the game director says it's not mandatory, people resort to being childish about the situation instead of just ending it..

[TheRealMadruck]

All what matters is that people can be kicked out of every party finder group as soon as the party creator wants it. It's intended and designed that way (and you can't report someone kicking you out of group. Party creator is even allowed to say "play job X or you have to go".).

How much does Yoshi-P's opinion count here?

I guess not much according to you since he is only the Game Director and final decision maker....but whatever right.

[Powercow]

And of course when even the game director says it's not mandatory, people resort to being childish about the situation instead of just ending it..

Yoshida also thought that the 2.0 warrior was fine, effectively telling people to "git gud" despite the fact warrior was measurably worse than paladin. He signed off on bowmages. He agreed to Diadem. The man is not infallible.

[TorchicEX]

And of course when even the game director says it's not mandatory, people resort to being childish about the situation instead of just ending it..

I wish I knew how to end it. But this is a forum, so people can bellyache all day because something doesn't agree with them.

Also love the RWBY clip.