Warrior and paying for skills the other two use for free, among other thoughts

[Steelbreeze]

No offence to Xeno, since he does make decent (albeit very long sometimes) guides and raid vids but he's like not World #1 WAR or anything to the point where his views are Word of God.

The issues people are finding with WAR are coming from those who also know how to play the job at a high level so to dismiss their collective views because you haven't seen Xeno making a video about it only makes you lot appear as stupid sheep.

It's pretty much the exact opposite of being a sheep. Reserving judgement for personal experience or experience of a known credible source is not being a sheep.

[FeliAiko]

It's pretty much the exact opposite of being a sheep. Reserving judgement for personal experience or experience of a known credible source is not being a sheep.

Dismissing or co-signing an argument because of the person behind it - rather than the actual merit of the point itself - is being a sheep. If you're not educated enough on WAR to agree or disagree with the topic then that's one thing, but to be like 'Oh Xeno hasn't said anything yet so you're wrong OP, your view doesn't matter' deems anything you have to say irrelevant.

[Steelbreeze]

Dismissing or co-signing an argument because of the person behind it - rather than the actual merit of the point itself - is being a sheep. If you're not educated enough on WAR to agree or disagree with the topic then that's one thing, but to be like 'Oh Xeno hasn't said anything yet so you're wrong OP, your view doesn't matter' deems anything you have to say irrelevant.

That was only half of the equation. In any event, dismissing random uninformed opinions on favor of ones developed by yourself or by a trusted figure is not being a sheep. Seeing as how none of the people in this thread have raided a couple months from now, no opinions formed currently can be reliable in the first place.

[aleph_null]

Seeing as how none of the people in this thread have raided a couple months from now, no opinions formed currently can be reliable in the first place.

I'm getting tired of this. Yes, you can form reliable opinions, theories, rotations, openers based on the data we know so far. Potencies can change, yes, so are our opinions, theories, rotations, openers. But unless they do some major rework on our core mechanics or change the potencies in a very extreme way, most of the arguments here about stance dancing cost wouldn't change much, if they even do. A lot of the great players have done some theorycrafting on their jobs. Xeno came up with the straightforward berserk rotation with 6 cleaves and a path combo and an upheaval. Thendiel came up with a new drg opener as well as theories about aligning 2nd bfb with the red botd. Aiurily did something similar with brd/mch, Laqi did it for blm/smn, and I believe many other that I don't know/remember have done so. Yes the devs can change potencies and some effects, then we can adjust the rotations too. It's not like they're gonna turn these jobs into completely different things, scrapping everything they showed in the live letter.