Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[SpiritMuse]

Just had the greatest run of Titan Ex I've had in a long time. We spent the full 90 minutes wiping, but everyone was good natured about it and joked around and gave advice where necessary. It was so much fun even if in the end we didn't make it.

Honestly I'd rather spend 90 minutes wiping with a group like that than do a single clear with a group that gets salty at the slightest misstep.

[Mysterysword]

Don't cure the tank, if the tank dies pulling 10 mobs before using flash, then you got screwed on the tank you were given. Wait until the tank uses flash/overpower/unleash... Only need shield lob, tomahawk, etc... to pull a group of 3, pulling 3 groups means only 3 actions to cost the tank TP or MP. Learn to wait and you won't have the issue.

Speaking as someone who has all 6 tank and healer jobs at 60, I sure hope this is the silliest thing I'll read this month. You appear to be suggesting that, when pulling multiple groups, all a tank should do is throw one Shield Lob/Tomahawk/Unmend, per group, and then not touch any of the other mobs until all of them are pulled.

Listen: If you cannot find the MP or TP to hit each group with Flash/Overpower/Unleash as you pull them, you suck at tanking.

[Averax]

I have to pull teeth to get people to do the mechanics in Steps of Faith to this day.

I always volunteer for a cannon, because nobody does, and ask repeatedly if someone else would like to get that or the dragonkiller. Then everyone's all like "Oh, we don't need to do that we have enough dps"....

First thing: You don't know that. I still get groups that fail the dps check.
Second thing: The mechanics make it go even faster, and they're super easy.
Third thing: Despite what you think, one person cannot physically activate both tethers, then hoof it to the dragonkiller in time.

[Ersilon]

I have a couple of stories after having been away from the forums for a bit.

I've been leveling up bard of late, and yesterday I queue'd Leveling with a couple of FC mates, one of whom is also leveling bard. We land in Tam Tara with a new-ish dark knight who just seems like he's just out of his depth. This guy was not new--every single non-Heavensward job was unlocked and lvl 50+. Yes, being new on DRK can be interesting (I've spent the past couple of weeks pushing it up as well), but it's not exactly dissimilar to paladin. And really, Tam Tara is easier on a DRK than it is on paladin. He was losing aggro on every single pull. My co-bard and I were tanking the dungeon almost as much as he was. We finally get to the end boss, and it's just like he gave up trying to tank. He'd respond somewhat well to suggestions for a while, but ultimately, they'd be forgotten again, so I didn't exactly argue with my buddy who called him a lazy tank. "But it's harder without Grit!" Right.

Later in the day, we did another Leveling and got Haukke. The sprout warrior was like the "day" to that dark knight's "night" and had absolutely zero problems tanking. Everything was smooth, though we did have to point out that they could stun the succubus' Terror-inducing AoE's. I'm aware that Haukke is the point where Grit and the WAR tank stance becomes available, but I don't think that the warrior was even using it.

Finally got an A12 run for the wife's latest Shire weapon gear after trying for a couple of days. We had a couple of new people, and the group wiped. Wifey spent more time raising bodies than throwing DoTs and summoner damage, and I was healing as AST. My cohealer was one of the new people, and he spent most of his MP early on in the fight, but I didn't see why until later. The other summoner spent fully half of the attempt on the ground. I look at the guy because she mentioned he had a 270 ring, and nothing really jumped out at me until I saw his weapon, which was an i200. I may have came off a bit snippy in my response to the tank who said "dps is slow" before proceeding to give pointers on the fight. Another go, another wipe similar to the first. The good tank (not the commenter on damage) leaves after a failed vote abandon. We get a new tank, and things proceed for the third run. People aren't stacking, but this time, I see where the WHM is spending all his MP: he's casting Stoneskin throughout the fight, which might be fine if he wasn't going through the cast time and MP drain for a two second protection. I tell him to not do that, and his MP doesn't spend so much time in the bottom quarter of his bar. Still, we wipe again, and another vote abandon fails to go through. This attempt manages to go off decently enough. The new people have a feel for it, and don't fall to the mechanics as much, and we manage to clear. Ugh.

[Xx-ReiN-xX]

Just run Lost City HM throught DF. It was a quiet run no one said a word throughout the run. I was i268 BRD. The others three was a 33k HP WAR, 16K SCH (who were a couples) and 18K MNK. The SCH never drop a single DPS. Doesn't matter, i'll still use Foe Requiem. First boss WAR decided to pull with Delivrance. Obviously I took aggro despite using quelling and by a huge amount. He tried to brute force it to get aggro back. Wish didn't work at all. So he turn Defiance back on and provoke and we down it without any more issue. Second boss he learned he's lesson. He pulled with Defiance on and switch mid fight to Delivrance. We down it no problem. By the way Foe Requiem is still up before every single pull and still no DPS from SCH. And right before the last trash... WAR start to emote laughing at me. I didn't said a single word throughout the run. It was obviously because of Foe Requiem. I played the song at the same time he was suppose to Tomahawk and he suddenly stopped running in wish make me run pass him and got aggro because of Foe. No problem there he gather them and we down those thrash. The final boss gate open, i waited for them infront of the gate and... I got kicked... Lol?

[Pells]

but the tank definitely, definitely SHOULD hit each mob with something...or else ANY skill, no matter how little hate it builds, will make the tank lose aggro.
Sch doing adlos, or whm/sch throwing eye for an eye or a needed cure in case the tank took too much damage already.
What about BRDs dotting mobs during the pull so he can set up his procs and spam Rain of death in time?

Sure you shouldnt blow your full attack power on a single mob aka trying to kill it while the pull isnt even done yet,but many classes prepare some sort
of setup during the pull. But if the tank loses hate due to a single skill or two during the pull, the tank is in the wrong.

I like to have Adloquium/Galvanize on the tank before they start a pull. This will put you on the enmity list of whatever mob hits them. I've pulled from tanks doing body pulls or only tagging one mob by turning on Cleric Stance or using Aetherflow.

[Faliandra]

If you don't touch the mobs you won't get hate. Building greased lightning means you are hitting the mobs. Touching the mobs in anyway will build hate. Leave them alone and let the tank pull them back. Don't cure the tank, if the tank dies pulling 10 mobs before using flash, then you got screwed on the tank you were given. Wait until the tank uses flash/overpower/unleash. I have done it many times with people that know how to wait, it works fine. It is the impatient ones that screw it up every time.

Only need shield lob, tomahawk, etc... to pull a group of 3, pulling 3 groups means only 3 actions to cost the tank TP or MP. Learn to wait and you won't have the issue.

just because it CAN work doesnt make it right...and especially not efficient. What youre suggesting is that everyone should stop preparing before a pull. Which ultimately wastes time and dmg potential.
A MNK needs his buffs up,and he can prepare that during the pull. A brd will dot mobs during the pull so once the pull is done,he can go crazy spamming rain of death because of all the dots he applied.
Several classes have some preparations like that.
You want to waste all that potential because you cba to hit each mob?

Honestly, watch a guide or something. You can do better than that. Or are you part of the "You dont pay my sub" community?

I like to have Adloquium/Galvanize on the tank before they start a pull. This will put you on the enmity list of whatever mob hits them. I've pulled from tanks doing body pulls or only tagging one mob by turning on Cleric Stance or using Aetherflow.

i always adlo before the pull,but on some big pulls,the adlo runs out before the pull is done...so i gotta refresh.

A tank has to hit every mob,and when he does, my refreshed shield will cause zero problems

[KisaiTenshi]

Last night, was doing the leveling queue on AST which I had not leveled to 40 yet, and I got Satasha. Oh yay easy... crap, I think I got a party of bots.

So if you've never had this happen before, two characters from the same server were firing off actions before they actually animated. Level 50 Gladiator, and a level 20 pugilist. It was more obvious the tank could be a bot because they would just run off while the last mob still had HP. This happened right at the clamshell area where we wiped because the tank ran off while all the mobs had enmity on the the DPS or myself.

This running off bit would repeat a few more times.



When we get to the boss, all mechanics were ignored, instead the tank pulled the boss into a corner.


After the dungeon ended I suspected at least the tank was a bot, and the pugilist may have also been a bot, I wasn't sure about the archer, but the contact list showed they were on a different server from the other two so I left that out of the report.

It should be noted that the level 50 gladiator was only wearing sub level 50 gear. So either this was a bot, or someone who spammed easy content to get there.



I try to give the benefit of the doubt when I see stupid game play, but the fact that this character was moving off before the monsters death animations all the time had me suspect it was a bot.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Ok it happened...IT FREAKING HAPPENED OMG!!!

So i was in an Expert, everyones in 260+ gear, we all say hello, We pull and right off the bat the Drk doesn't use Unleash, nope. What do they use....can you guess? It's not Dark Passenger nope nope, it's FLASH. This isn't like a level 30 dungeon this is max level, albeit not taxing, but it's max level content and they can't use Unleash a move you get at level 8....holy s*it.... You have Unleash you don't ever EVER need Flash in any kind of scenario as a Drk.

I asked them can you please use Unleash over and over in translation, they said hi so they understand english, nothing not a word at all. Monk pulls threat on first boss and dies because the tank hit sprint and is using Delirium. I ask them why are you using Flash, their response and i'll never EVER get over it was "it costs less mana :P", I left the group and said to myself that's it for FFXIV for the day.

There are no words. Just... no... words. ;-;

[Ama_Hamada]

Ill just leave this (final MSQ dungeon, spoilers?):
https://youtu.be/eC8PuW58I-M

and today was another premade kick abuse because a tank can't tank and expected a BLM to stop ALL CASTING even though quelling strikes was used. PLD is too difficult I guess, lets hope SB really makes game play easier helps curve kick abuse.

"You pressed many buttons to gain hate"
"So at some point you want to stop casting"