#DeleteSmn aka "Here's where you can shove your Bahamut" thread

[KarahaBaruha]

I read all the tooltips and came to a completely different conclusion, SMN seems pretty strong for single target now, with just a small nerf to AoE.

Also SMN interacts better with party buffs than BLM, SB BLM is basically the same thing as HW BLM with a few more F4s.

ruin 1 and 2 buffed, ruin 3 nerfed, but tri disaster buffs all ruins so the nerf is minimal, and you can proc ruin 4.

Tri disaster always up for DWT

Both dots buffed

AoE party damage buff

Bahamut-egi with an auto a bit stronger than ruin 3 and a shorter cd enkindle

Shorter enkindle cd every time you proc ruin 4.

I really don\\'t see this as a big nerf.

Ruin 1 is the same potency and Ruin IV is now the damage our Ruin III used to be. Still a nerf.

2 dots were buffed to 40 potency per or 80 potency per tic. Compare that to our 3 dots doing 110 potency per tic. Still a nerf

The other points you are right about but not enough to make up for our losses.

[Nerisu]

Ruin 1 is the same potency and Ruin IV is now the damage our Ruin III used to be. Still a nerf.

2 dots were buffed to 40 potency per or 80 potency per tic. Compare that to our 3 dots doing 110 potency per tic. Still a nerf

The other points you are right about but not enough to make up for our losses.

3.0 RUINS
Ruin = 80 potency
Ruin II = 80 potency
Ruin III = 200 potency

4.0 RUINS
Ruin = 10080 potency
Ruin II = 100 potency
Ruin III = 150 potency
Ruin IV = 200(220) potency

3.0 DOTS
Bio II = 350 potency
Miasma = 300 potency
Bio = 240 potency
Total = 890 potency

4.0 DOTS
Bio III = 400 potency
Miasma III = 450 potency
Total = 850 potency

But then there's this:

3.0 TRAITS
Int +2
Int +4
Dmg +10%
Int +6
Dmg +30%
Total Int = 12

4.0 TRAITS
Int +8
Dmg/PetDmg +10%
Int +16
Dmg/PetDmg +30%
Int +24
Total Int = 48

20 potency from Ruin III went to Ruin/Ruin II and the remaining 30 potency might have went to the added Int trait. It's probably the same for the DoT potencies. Need someone who is well versed with the stat weights to know if the added Int is enough to compensate for the lower potencies.

EDIT: Actually never mind the 100 potency Ruin, different sources have different numbers or I might have confused Ruin II's new potency with Ruin's. Also, take note that the 40% pet damage buff of Spur will become permanent through traits.

[spf1200]

Did you guys actually read the tooltips on abilities or are you just echoing what others are saying? There where many typos in the SMN abilities until the game is out and we see what the abilities really do you can't say that is is nerfed. Also miasma 2 has always been garbage don't understand why people are trying to claim that its removal is a bad thing.

[Texa]

Did you guys actually read the tooltips on abilities or are you just echoing what others are saying? There where many typos in the SMN abilities until the game is out and we see what the abilities really do you can't say that is is nerfed. Also miasma 2 has always been garbage don't understand why people are trying to claim that its removal is a bad thing.

The only practical use I ever saw for it was for slowing down the blobs in the tornado phase on living liquid. Generally it just seemed like a high mp sink of a spell for very little damage though.