#DeleteSmn aka "Here's where you can shove your Bahamut" thread

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You have to understand about some stuff. Which was questioned during HW's. They do not want you pulling more then 3 mobs and aoeing them down. They don't come out and say it. But they keep nerfing any aoe damage and putting gates up. If people wouldn't feel the need for speed. BLM and WHM wouldn't have been nerfed at the end of 2.0.

The issue becomes if dungeons remain faceroll but we simply take forever and a day to kill things. People will just stop doing them entirely. The tail end of Heavensward saw multiple ways to cap Scripture. And let's be honest, 450 a week is incredibly easy even if you barely run Roulettes. Hopefully, dungeons will actually pose a challenge, and that is the reason we pull less.

[SomeRandomHuman]

First thing I'm doing is taking fester off my bar. Painflare does the same damage with both dots up in an aoe without fall off. SO there goes bane to. Just gonna hardcast.

[alimdia]

I read all the tooltips and came to a completely different conclusion, SMN seems pretty strong for single target now, with just a small nerf to AoE.

Also SMN interacts better with party buffs than BLM, SB BLM is basically the same thing as HW BLM with a few more F4s.

ruin 1 and 2 buffed, ruin 3 nerfed, but tri disaster buffs all ruins so the nerf is minimal, and you can proc ruin 4.

Tri disaster always up for DWT

Both dots buffed

AoE party damage buff

Bahamut-egi with an auto a bit stronger than ruin 3 and a shorter cd enkindle

Shorter enkindle cd every time you proc ruin 4.

I really don't see this as a big nerf.

[SomeRandomHuman]

I read all the tooltips and came to a completely different conclusion, SMN seems pretty strong for single target now, with just a small nerf to AoE.

Also SMN interacts better with party buffs than BLM, SB BLM is basically the same thing as HW BLM with a few more F4s.

ruin 1 and 2 buffed, ruin 3 nerfed, but tri disaster buffs all ruins so the nerf is minimal, and you can proc ruin 4.

Tri disaster always up for DWT

Both dots buffed

AoE party damage buff

Bahamut-egi with an auto a bit stronger than ruin 3 and a shorter cd enkindle

Shorter enkindle cd every time you proc ruin 4.

I really don't see this as a big nerf.

If we wanted a single target caster we'd just go play black mage. Summoner was more of an aoe job(especially in HW since they buffed bane). I thought they were just going to declutter jobs, not try to homogenize them all into the same thing.

[Ash_]

So first a clarification on one of the changes;

- Spur is being removed, BUT the same pet damage increase of up to 40% is now being applied to the trait Maim and Mend. In other words it becomes a permanent buff to pets. I think every single person overlooked it in their panicking.

My 2nd point and the only thing I'm bothered about, why keep calling it tri-disaster if it only applies 2 dots =.= They could have given us a completely new dot at least...

[Nerisu]

First thing I'm doing is taking fester off my bar. Painflare does the same damage with both dots up in an aoe without fall off. SO there goes bane to. Just gonna hardcast.

The potency on Fester's tooltip is most likely just a typo because on the videos posted it's doing significantly more damage than Painflare. Unless they change the actual damage to reflect what is on the tooltip (hopefully not). If that happens then I will gladly do the same.

My 2nd point and the only thing I'm bothered about, why keep calling it tri-disaster if it only applies 2 dots =.= They could have given us a completely new dot at least...

Tri-disaster applies a third 15s debuff called Ruination.

[KarahaBaruha]

So first a clarification on one of the changes;

- Spur is being removed, BUT the same pet damage increase of up to 40% is now being applied to the trait Maim and Mend. In other words it becomes a permanent buff to pets. I think every single person overlooked it in their panicking.

My 2nd point and the only thing I'm bothered about, why keep calling it tri-disaster if it only applies 2 dots =.= They could have given us a completely new dot at least...

Maim and mend 2 already applies to pets

[KarahaBaruha]

Also, I forgot to add something. As per videos and Japanese translation.....Aetherflow now only gives us 10% mp and not 20% like it used to.

[Iromi]

I would agree if Smn were a top dps job to begin with in the first place. As it is now, we aren't even considered as a viable option for the raid meta outside of 1-2 fights max

That is if you play with bad players. I have cleared every Alexander raid easily on my summoner, and was usually top DPS in all the fights.

That "meta" stuff is a joke, tbh. Find better people to play with :x

[KarahaBaruha]

I read all the tooltips and came to a completely different conclusion, SMN seems pretty strong for single target now, with just a small nerf to AoE.

Also SMN interacts better with party buffs than BLM, SB BLM is basically the same thing as HW BLM with a few more F4s.

ruin 1 and 2 buffed, ruin 3 nerfed, but tri disaster buffs all ruins so the nerf is minimal, and you can proc ruin 4.

Tri disaster always up for DWT

Both dots buffed

AoE party damage buff

Bahamut-egi with an auto a bit stronger than ruin 3 and a shorter cd enkindle

Shorter enkindle cd every time you proc ruin 4.

I really don\\'t see this as a big nerf.

Ruin 1 is the same potency and Ruin IV is now the damage our Ruin III used to be. Still a nerf.

2 dots were buffed to 40 potency per or 80 potency per tic. Compare that to our 3 dots doing 110 potency per tic. Still a nerf

The other points you are right about but not enough to make up for our losses.