We're all DDs now >.>

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yet more Ad Hominem attacks

I... don't even.

Miste has probably been the nicest to you among us all and is a sweetheart regardless yet... even she's apparently out to get you? What's it like to be in your head I wonder; where the whole world is just mean to you for no reason? People like you fascinate me.

[Aramina]

Look up dunning-kruger effect, it is a big influence of your argument.

I already tried to get her to look it up yesterday, lol.

At this point, I am praying you correct because the alternative is terrifying.

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

edit: My post was in reply to someone (Faliandra I think) saying it was a troll.

[Ama_Hamada]

That has been posted no less than three times in this thread alone, and it is out of context. Just like all storyline content, the storyline content does not teach you anything. Go review the the cutscene, it's the very last one. There is no mention of anything except not usingher lifeforce to heal, but to use nature to heal. Every time someone posts something about the conjurer storyline, they haven't even read the thread.



Yet more Ad Hominem attacks. I've explained why my character has ilevel 180 gear because I played the content right up to Alexander, and there was NO better gear than ilevel 180 at the last time I played the game and have been working on the convoluted Anima Weapon time sink.

Have I personally insulted you at all during this thread? No. You don't endure people to your side of a discussion by asserting that they are not as elitist as you. Half the nonsense coming from the "pro-dps healer" side of the argument is "no, you're not agreeing with me" or is pushed by hardcore raiders trying to twist the arms of regular players, and the other side of the argument is "Yoshi-P said so", "I played a healer to heal, go away", and "It's my subscription, and I will do what I want with it"

This thread is this image in a nutshell:


https://xkcd.com/1081/

One side thinks they are winning because they don't see anything wrong with how they play, the other side thinks they are winning because that's what they believe to be true. Which side you think you are on doesn't matter.

Why are you ignoring my post?

Good job at ignoring all my points, ill just leave this:
https://youtu.be/jBgMe5uHPsE?t=562
It is not a damn myth. You do realize I am a heal yes? and on my alt account is just SMN and SCH who played SCH a lot more then SMN because queue times.

The only time you need to be healer full time (and yes I was mostly healing some bad parties during trials yesterday for my relic but still had room to dps) is with REALLY bad players, DPS that can't DPS, tanks that do not know what a migration CD is while standing in fire.

This is my alt account ama with my friend. I heal, I know people that heal, it is not a myth. Even with bad parties that need more healing then necessary attention, I still help with DPS time to time. Btw even as an alt, I have more proof on my own that I do more content then you, let alone my main, 2 close friends, or some posters here like miste. I really do not understand your point or what you are trying to debate. Why are you trying to say healers having large downtime is a myth? makes no sense.

Also I think "healers only heal" come from other games, not healer should help with dps because nothing to do.

Gear does matter because you can't actually queue for any relevant content with i180 gear. Which means you have zero experience in higher dungeons like Expert Roulette. Your gear does tell me roughly how much experience you have with specific content since you don't even qualify to enter most of the level 60 content unless you are hiding behind an alt.

I have TWO accounts, my alt, ama, outgears you and seen way more content then you on both jobs (SMN and SCH) [Sorry miste using your quote for KisaiTenshi, not you , don't hurt me, ya did more then me ;p]

You have NO EXPERIENCE !!! To tell us healers have no downtime when they DO!! I heal good parties and bad parties and both still has room to toss out DPS spells. Bad parties much less, but there is no way you can always be casting being heal only this game without massive overhealing. Those are i275 relics in case you did not know, and it takes a quite a bit of griding for them. I think I seen enough to know you have not seen enough.

I'll just go back to my shame closet! Ama so much cooler than meh! Leet characters everywhere and everything!

/sniffle



xD

lol /comfort I an not that "leet" ;p just above midcore I guess. (while hardcore crafting/gathering)

KisaiTenshi you have no shown (post a vid of your self) or fully explain why in the heck you feel this game needs a full time healer??? while always be casting??? without overhealing?

Nope. Not attacks. Just telling you the truth that experience in higher duties while being over geared as a healer matters if you are going to talk about downtime.

I've explained that your character being i180 really limits your experience with being an over geared healer in HW content which therefore makes you ignorant of how much downtime a geared healer has in that content. Like the video Ama linked....You've never even experienced Xelphatol let alone with 10-20 above minimum item level.

The only piece of level 60 HW content you are "over the item level" for is ....Aetherchemical Research Facility...so yeah...it is just the truth.

Healing that with bad tanks though does suck. (I mean it does not take much bad to need to full time heal there, or least 70%-90% heal on some pulls) Also id ague i190 does not fully out gear that place, I think you need higher to be absolutely stat capped. (maxing out the lower secondary on gear) I think you need 200-210 per slot for that.

[Shurrikhan]

This thread is this image in a nutshell:

When someone takes the summative experience of many actual raiders and dismisses their findings about the class they main in the raid environment in favor of their own experience where said experience does not actually include raiding...

Because, gosh darn-it, that sample size of one is clearly superior, no matter how contradictory or sheltered its findings may be.

Oh, I see. You're on the slide.

Never mind then; this makes perfect sense.

[Miste]

Miste has probably been the nicest to you among us all

Thank you for helping to explain I wasn't trying to attack them, just was saying they need to get some more experience to see how WHM is at higher item levels and higher dungeons etc before they understand what some of us mean about healing having a lot of downtime in some content. Which gear unfortunately matters there since the game doesn't let you enter it until you get higher item level.

and is a sweetheart regardless

now you making me blush fellow maple syrup! Thanks for being so sweet as well and for the support

lol /comfort I an not that "leet" ;p

Nah, you're leet xD

Healing that with bad tanks though does suck. (I mean it does not take much bad to need to full time heal there, or least 70%-90% heal on some pulls) Also id ague i190 does not fully out gear that place, I think you need higher to be absolutely stat capped. (maxing out the lower secondary on gear) I think you need 200-210 per slot for that.

Yeah, that is why I mentioned it. Their experience in ARF wouldn't be a good indication of downtime since ARF syncs at i180 it is actually quite a bit more challenging to do a lot of DPS as a healer compared to say Gubal Library HM or Xelphatol...especially with a lower geared tank or inexperienced one not using cooldowns well etc. You just can't outgear ARF as much as some other dungeons.

I'm not too sure what the stat caps are, but it does sync to i180.

[magnanimousCynic]

((main account?))

((alt account?))

Not to derail the thread, but do you mind explaining why you use both your main account and your alt for the forums? It seems unusual to me.

[Kaisinel]

To double daily post.

[jameseoakes]

Yeah, that is why I mentioned it. Their experience in ARF wouldn't be a good indication of downtime since ARF syncs at i180 it is actually quite a bit more challenging to do a lot of DPS as a healer compared to say Gubal Library HM or Xelphatol...especially with a lower geared tank or inexperienced one not using cooldowns well etc. You just can't outgear ARF as much as some other dungeons.

I'm not too sure what the stat caps are, but it does sync to i180.

I'm assuming the issue here is that all there level 60 experience is in ARF which I do remember having some pretty high damage on the trash pulls so it's fairly understandable to focus healing on them if unsure but the bosses do hardly any damage and there should be no issue with getting in some respectable damage on them

[Ayer2015]

I love how both sides of this argument think they are right and the majority of the population agrees with them. Its relatively amusing.

[Seoulstar]

I love how both sides of this argument think they are right and the majority of the population agrees with them. Its relatively amusing.

It's getting quite annoying to be honest..I thought the other complaints were tiring. But this one has been going on since..forever.