PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Fyce]

But people keep sprouting nonsense about the role of the healer in a party having to mandatory DPS. It has not, not has it ever been that way.

Not holding the door open for that old lady who is coming behind you isn't mandatory either.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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Don't flatter yourself, sweetheart. I said stop because you have no idea what you're talking about and simply look foolish at this point.

My response had nothing to do with healer DPS but instead to your continual insistence healers cannot have more than 20% downtime. You are factually wrong. Multiple people in this thread have posted their experiences, myself included, where they were in Cleric Stance for upwards of 80%. No one died; no one lost aggro. They simply knew how to play their jobs properly. I tank and heal. And I can assure you my work doing a mass pull is minimal... with the exception of the mega pull on Baelsar's. I blow Equilibrium for aggro during bosses so I can drop Defiance faster. Why? I know I won't need it. In fact, more often than not I'll blow Raw and Vengeance for Decimate/Fell Cleave stacks for that very same reason. I neither die nor has my healers who do DPS struggled to heal me. I outlined in another thread my White Mage rotation-- where I use Regen and only Regen to heal tanks through most pulls Solm Al Hard. Occasionally, I'll need to drop Cleric and Tetra but the healing requirements are minimal. So I have no idea what you're prattling on about with Medica II/Regen on fully healed targets because that doesn't happen with good players.

You don't know how healers work. And you certainly don't know how tanking works. The fact you don't even appreciate how powerful your single target DoTs and Nukes are baffles me. That only goes to show you have no business lecturing anyone on their healer role proficiency.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

In Baelsar's and sohm al I use Gravity,Swiftcast Gravity, Essential Dignity, Gravity and then switch out as needed until all mobs are dead.

[Aramina]

And as a Scholar, I adlo tank, swiftcast shadowflare, put dots up, bane, broil, reapply dots/bane as needed. I drop CS and use lustrate/indominability as needed and spending stacks on energy drain if Aetherflow is about up and I haven't needed to use them for heals.

Now all healing classes have said you do *not* need 80% uptime healing. Can we stop with the absurd claims now?

[arkiek]

If the tank is spamming healing pots or their own healing skills for no reason, that is counter-productive to drawing enmity.

you do realize that tank heals like clemency, equilibrium, second wind generate HUGE enmity right. as a paladin with 0 aoe clemency on myself allows the healers to do much more aoe damage. as a dark knight abyssal drain gives me huge aoe lifesteal and bonus enmity generation. as a warrior i have the most robust selfhealing in the game, to the point where in a normal dungeon the most healing i should need is regen/fairy healing on most pulls and maybe a single tetra/lustrate/ED. and potions are all ogcd anyways why would you complain about that.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I too spend 90-100% of my time in dungeons in Cleric Stance, only swapping out to renew a regen or toss a tetra. I usually do it while doing other things too! Healing couldn't get any easier!

[akaneakki]

Everyone can play the game exactly the way they want to, if the way they play is counter-productive, or annoying, you are free to kick them from a party for harassment. A tank or healer that doesn't DPS is not counter-productive.

If someone disagree with me or actually corrects me after some facts that they prove me with, is not bullying, it's in fact someone that corrects me. There is so much proof already on this thread, including videos about healers have almost nothing to do in for example expert roulettes. A healer who sits around wasting MP on nothing is counter-productive, much as a tank who doesn't use all of his skill (which is dpsing as well). You are far from bullied, you can't say you are where there is no bullying going on. And can some people please stop troll and say there is different ways to play in this game? If it was then how come DPS check is a thing then? All those numbers, calculations etc by devs are calculated by using propper rotation, good cd usage and so on.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Although I dps on healer I actually wish we had more support abilities instead i.e elemental spikes, haste, phlanx, en-spells etc. Make it a proper healer/support class and like others have said healing is boring if you just heal.

[Greedalox]

I too spend 90-100% of my time in dungeons in Cleric Stance, only swapping out to renew a regen or toss a tetra. I usually do it while doing other things too! Healing couldn't get any easier!

Even Thunda Cat is in cleric 90% of the time, and she's the poster child of anti-dps Healers.

It's a situation about making the best out of a bad situation. Would healing be better if healing required mostly uptime? Probably. Would that be an ideal thing for SE to have implemented already? Probably.
It's better to be realistic and play the game as it is, not as what we consider "ideal". Just because it'd be ideal for healers to be challenged and utilized by healing alone doesn't mean that's how the game is now.

[Jazmyn]

Honestly it's quite sad to see people get so worked up over how others play the game. Unless the healer is part of your static group, then honestly you have no right to want them to play your way and that's all this is. a "play my way" thread. I still think they are just trolling btw.

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