Please do something about mentor roulette instant-leaves

[BillyKaplan]

so whats the point if u join rouletes and leave after? :P i mean ur just as much irrelevant to qeue times as if u do something else XD

That's factually incorrect. The party is already in the instance - that's more than they'd have gotten without the insta-leaver. Depending on party makeup and skill, they can clear nicely into the instance, too. So while insta-leaving, that person still helped with the queue. The position can then be filled by other people who bothered to mark "in progress", be it on that particular instance, roulette (say, leveling), or finally - Mentor roulette. There's a reason why so many roulettes exist, and the 'in progress' option. Jerk move? Perhaps. But the fact remains that without this insta-leaver queuing in the first place, we never would've gotten into the instance at all and the queue times would've kept ticking.
It's kind of surprising how often I get "0m elapsed" when I queue for Mentor, on any role. But that's the thing - I can go in there and help because there's an instance to get into.

[Mavrias]

He would have to suffer the same pain as the one he inflicted to the player he left behind him.

there's the root of the matter. You want, for whatever reason, people to suffer because of some perceived injustice. If, I leave a dungeon and get my penalty, I have done nothing wrong. Feel free to report the next person who leaves a dungeon. If a GM tells you anything other than "people can leave if they want" I'd be extremely surprised. That is what its for.

I don't care what instance I get, but I'll leave if I need to (emergency, surprise company) and do the roulette later. The people I left behind can continue on and I'll just be stuck in a weird "specific" queue instead of moving the roulette queue along if your suggestion was put in place. Or better yet, I'll just ask 3-7 friends to do me a solid and queue for whatever it is I'm locked into. So that's potentially 8 people taken out of a roulette. And nothing of value is accomplished.

[Hikuras]

Give people who leave at the start or period a 3 hour ban from dungeons. Don't care if you don't like the dungeon.. you picked the roulette and you're wasting other's people time if you do this. So either make a PF or deal with it. I bet if people had to wait 3 hours when they did this it'll stop instantly.

[ShadowYomi]

Or you can prevent your long wait time by going as a role that doesn't have to wait. You can't make people do what they don't want to.

[Mavrias]

Give people who leave at the start or period a 3 hour ban from dungeons. Don't care if you don't like the dungeon.. you picked the roulette and you're wasting other's people time if you do this. So either make a PF or deal with it. I bet if people had to wait 3 hours when they did this it'll stop instantly.

Catch me playing another game for 3 hours and/or never queueing up for anything without friends ever again. Many people already don't pug content. This will make queue times worse.

[Miste]

Did you tell people you had to leave the group because of a family problem? If you did, then I have no issues. If you stone cold dropped with no warning without even an "Emergency! have to go, sry." in chat, then yeah, they would be justified in being pissed. Despite your sub, and you paying to play, It's an MMO, It's like joining your bar's baseball team. You paid for the shirt and your glove and you pay to drive to the games, but you agreed to play with the other people at a certain time on a certain schedule. They have a right to be annoyed since that's how group activities have always worked...except online for some reason.

Sometimes I do have time to type out something, but sometimes I don't. It is different online because online is not the same as real life; which I think would be obvious. I didn't agree to 'be' anywhere I am just at home on my computer/PS4 playing a video game.

Your comparison doesn't work too well since real life > online video games, so that is different and IF something really serious happened then maybe that person who didn't show up for the bar's baseball team meet didn't have time to call in? Be pissed all you want, but maybe that guy was at the hospital with a dying relative and doesn't give two craps about the team right now because there are more important people in his life than random strangers on a baseball team.

It sounds so harsh, but it is the blunt truth and I understand it is a situation that doesn't happen too often, but it is an example of why people don't owe you explanations and getting pissed off or whatever only wastes your own energy.

Like I said no one owes anyone else an explanation for leaving a duty in a video game; MMO or not. If I have to go for personal reasons and I have to leave right away then sorry I am going to leave to free up the spot for someone else to join who can do their job for that group while I attend to real life matters. The faster I leave the faster they can get a replacement to continue to play.

I always queue in progress for mentor roulette and other roulettes and fill missing spots to help out and I am sure many others do as well. So I am already trying my best to help queue times and complete duties for other players. I don't owe anyone anything else.

You are asking too much of strangers and if they want to be pissed someone like me had to leave then I honestly don't care. Be pissed. It matters not to me.

So either make a PF or deal with it.

Um, you also have the option to "make a PF or deal with it" if you don't like that once in awhile you end up where someone leaves a duty that you were in.

So that is kind of hypocritical and pointless to say unfortunately... since you are telling us to do something you also have the option to do.

[Vidu]

Give people who leave at the start or period a 3 hour ban from dungeons. Don't care if you don't like the dungeon.. you picked the roulette and you're wasting other's people time if you do this. So either make a PF or deal with it. I bet if people had to wait 3 hours when they did this it'll stop instantly.

I think the punishment should fit the crime - thats why I suggest the loss of the roulette-bonus if you leave (maybe we should add: within the first 5 minutes, to make it clear that this about people leaving because they didnt like the dungeon they got and not for some maybe actual valid reasons - rl emergency, harrassment, whatever...). The perk of doing your roulette is that you get said bonus. The price you pay for that is that you get a random duty - dont like that duty and leaving means not paying the price, so you're not entitled to the bonus anymore (at least not for that day).

Just extending the lockout wont do much good - for once they can only do that to an extend, seeing how we're all are paying customers that they dont want to screw over like that (basically locking you out fo playing the game for a significant amount of time) and second, just like Mavrias said: People will just leave and play/do something else.

[Moshimoshikami]

You want, for whatever reason, people to suffer because of some perceived injustice.

Yeah the bad guy is the one protecting the weak and the deceived one are the troublemakers. Btw the purpose of my suggestion is not to make people suffer.

there's the root of the matter.

The root of the matter is the community which wants the reward of the roulette but does not want to do it properly. And they seem to spend a lot of time here.

At this point I think the only solution would be to ask the Phantom Thieves to changes ff player hearts in the metaverse

[Moshimoshikami]

Another idea would be to add a "I want to leave" feature when you are in a dungeon. Which would replace you as soon as someone else tagged to do the specific instance you are inside. (Obviously only out of combat because this would be bad).

[BillyKaplan]

Another idea would be to add a "I want to leave" feature when you are in a dungeon. Which would replace you as soon as someone else tagged to do the specific instance you are inside. (Obviously only out of combat because this would be bad).

That's an interesting idea but it won't cover all cases. People who still don't want to run Aurum Vale won't run it. But a lot of people will try, thinking they might be replaced soon. Then there are three options: ideal: someone else needs to run that place, and they get replaced quickly. Acceptable: the person who wanted to leave no longer sees profit in leaving after all the time spent in there. They stay. The worst case scenario is that they see, say, 10 minutes have passed and no one came, so they still leave. But by then the rest of the party is a lot less likely to abandon ship with them.
If you insta-replace them, the LB can remain untouched, too, which is a fine boon.