It's 2017, when can we get a prominent LGBT character in the storyline?

[Nestmile]

LGBT representation is nice (if it's done tastefully), but it's not worth getting up in arms about. Especially in every individual case. It's the sort of thing that can be championed as a whole, not so much on a case-by-case basis, and I'd say that at large we're doing better than ever.

Besides, my WoL is gay af. He's a pretty prominent character, I'd say.

(Also I love that this thread is tagged "skyrior post....")

[SendohJin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYPF_bOimzM We done?

Those are hardly prominent characters.

Not that I think it's needed. And I also think we have them already and it's just not in our faces yet. Almost none of the main characters have shown their preferences.

[Naunet]

What are we supposed to use if there's no base? Uh? Cis and het are just a base from which come everything else. If you don't have a base, you can't build. Try building a tower without foundation.

Oh ffs. They are not default. This is idiotic. Non-cis and non-het people have existed alongside cis and het people for all of human history.

The "base" is the foundation of the world, the basic physical rules that govern Eorzea - things like the Twelve, aether, spirits, how primals are summoned, etc. Treating cis and het people as not default does not destabilize an imaginary world - nor would it destabilize the real world.

[Justsomeguy]

Yes, yes, troll thread aside...I figured I'd chime in for a moment.

Why does this even need to be a problem in the first place? Can't we just enjoy the world that the creator(s) created? We aren't playing the "real" world, we're enjoying a work of fiction made by someone to be something fake. Not everything needs to exist, not everything needs to be true. That's why I feel like some people get upset and say things are pandering and what not. Personally, I don't take anything in a game as if it is supposed to be the real world or hold any actual truth to it. Really, we're just partaking in a story that was made by a writer, the way they wanted to write it. If they didn't want to include something, that's fine, it is their creation after all.


We can suggest things, we can ask for things, but if they don't want to include it in the end it is up to us to decide if that is a deal breaker and if the product is no longer worth our support.

Judging by the way the MSQ is, I don't think including anything like that would feel fluid? Maybe if SB's MSQ involves more romantic relationships, then it'd just be another relationship. But right now? I don't really care who is lying with whom.

[Vexander]

How come cis

Okay, at the risk of sounding like a jerk, I just cannot take anyone seriously who uses this term. Just saying, 'Heterosexual,' is more than enough to get the point across.

To address the whole comment, it's not special treatment. They're included as a result of biological requirements for a species to exist. Would Harry Potter exist if James was Gay and Lily was into Women? Would Voldemort exist if his mother had a crush on Tabetha Riddle instead of Tom Riddle?

If everyone is LGBT then there is no reproduction going on at all. No characters would exist. For any story to exist as a stable base you -need- characters capable of reproduction. It helps that story continue if enough of the existing characters can also reproduce and thus have new characters for the future narrative.

[missybee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYPF_bOimzM

I should apparently pay more attention to even the minor character dialogue! This is wonderful!

In the comments on that video, one of them also mentions the vendor who looked like 1.0 Minfilia. I had forgotten about her and her wife.

So, there is some effort being made to be inclusive - it just isn't being rammed down our throats ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Arutan]

Oh ffs. They are not default. This is idiotic. Non-cis and non-het people have existed alongside cis and het people for all of human history.

The "base" is the foundation of the world, the basic physical rules that govern Eorzea - things like the Twelve, aether, spirits, how primals are summoned, etc. Treating cis and het people as not default does not destabilize an imaginary world - nor would it destabilize the real world.

Ok I have a better idea for you. What about stopping to say stupid things and just realize that all along that thread you just assumed every character of the game was het? Please list me all the moment a NPC declared he's het. Maybe if it's too long you can just deal with the MSQ? but your list won't be long anyway. If you're not happy because you can't see gay romance in game just go read fanfictions.
PS: yes it is a base. Please ask a gay couple to make a baby. Oh, wait.

[Con_Carne]

Why is many people against this? Is like a gay player says "why they should put a straight character or a relationship between a man and a woman?". LGBT is something that should have more presence everywhere in the same way that women are not weak ladies in peril anymore, they appear as strong heroines.

No, people doesn't want to see two males in love because they don't like it. People prefer to see more giant hot naked women as raid bosses... again.

[SilkaN]

How come cis and het people get special treatment then? They're always included.

No one is forcing anything, by the way. It's a simple request, and honestly it should not be an overly burdensome expectation for writers to create a world with more than just one kind of person.

First of all, nature and society are based on traditional sexual orientations and gender norms. Most people on this planet are heterosexual. According to statistics, only 3.5% of all US citizens are homosexual. I think Eorzea does a pretty good job portraying this percentage, since there are already gay NPCs in the game. No, you won't come across them at every corner, but they do exist. They are a part of the world. Just like real life.

Secondly, Eorzea is already pretty diverse. There are many different races living together in at least some kind of harmony. FFXIV simply isn't a story about an "oppressed LGBTQABCDEFG character that struggles with Eorzea's cis-hetero gender norms and expectations". Maybe some of the NPCs you have already met are gay and just hidden in plain sight? You wouldn't know since it is not their defining feature! Basing characters around the "I'm not hetero, therefore I am special" stereotype is just bad writing and nothing more.

If you want a story about struggling LGBT characters, I am sure there is enough literature about it. You shouldn't try to force it into stories that focus on other plot points, though.

[Faliandra]

How come cis and het people get special treatment then? They're always included.

because theyre the vast majority?