Please do something about mentor roulette instant-leaves

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Filling queues is the point of the Leveling Roulette. But the point of Mentor Roulette is to have more of the people in duties be those who are willing to actively help mentor anyone needing it.

Mentors will also gain access to Duty Roulette: Mentor, which assigns players to duties that are struggling to fill party member slots.

The whole systems relys of the help of other ppl aka Veterans/Mentors. As a reward they get some glamour/mounts/the pleasure to help. If you increase the penalty Veterans/Mentors may think it's not so tempting anymore if they have to leave and get a 90mins penalty.

Filling queues is the point of the mentor roulette, yes you will get people with bonus or leaf status but not all the time. Which is why I agree with the above quote. People that leave are defeating the object of the roulette. If you don't want to mentor any possible dungeon on the list then don't do the roulette.

[JunseiKei]

The whole fault of mentoring in NA servers (maybe EU, don't know) is that it hinges heavily on people not being selfish. That's the only reason mentoring fails outside of the JP servers, for the most past. NA and EU don't work on something that is simply honor-based.

[BillyKaplan]

Filling queues is the point of the mentor roulette, yes you will get people with bonus or leaf status but not all the time. Which is why I agree with the above quote. People that leave are defeating the object of the roulette. If you don't want to mentor any possible dungeon on the list then don't do the roulette.

I could be mistaken but I think you have a higher chance to get into a queue if there're first timers, or sprouts/flowers in that instance, than you would other instances. I certainly get more first timer bonus from that roulette than anything else I run.
Either way, even if it is just to fill queues, Mentors are still, by definition, expected to help newer players with the game, so way I see it, actively teaching an instance is expected of you even if it's not explicitly stated in regards to that specific roulette. That's what you're supposed to do as a Mentor regardless of where you are, after all.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I could be mistaken but I think you have a higher chance to get into a queue if there're first timers, or sprouts/flowers in that instance, than you would other instances. I certainly get more first timer bonus from that roulette than anything else I run.
Either way, even if it is just to fill queues, Mentors are still, by definition, expected to help newer players with the game, so way I see it, actively teaching an instance is expected of you even if it's not explicitly stated in regards to that specific roulette. That's what you're supposed to do as a Mentor regardless of where you are, after all.

Mentors will also gain access to Duty Roulette: Mentor, which assigns players to duties that are struggling to fill party member slots.

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...d0980ac2b5a39c

I am only going by the update notes of 3.2 and the description. Everyone else who adds it's for first timers, novices etc are just surmising.


That's why I said

"If you don't want to mentor any possible dungeon on the list then don't do the roulette.

I can only go by the 50 odd runs I did when Nidhogg was relevant, as I got sick to death of getting that instance every time and it going horribly wrong. Quite a lot of the runs there was no bonus.

[LalaRu]

Queue the mentor roulette, text says, is going to reach "struggling to fill" parties so the worst have to be expected.

Whatever is wrong with those parties, the mentor may give help but when met with "I play as I want" answers, Mentor may judge the party doesn't want (or need) a Mentor and oblige them.

[Slirith]

Just up the leave penalty. 30 mins is way too short, needs to be more punishing. 2 hours imo

[ClaireRefield]

I agree the leave option should be removed in dungeons since a lot of people leave if someone is new the dungeon if I get something I don't like and there's new people in it I still stay and teach the new people the dungeon raid or trial

[bounddreamer]

If you remove the "leave" option people will literally turn the game off.

People already do that now if the party rejects a move to abandon.

Sometimes the mentor, with the greater amount of experience running content, can assess the situation is bad enough a particular group isn't going to clear. The majority remains hopeful and rejects the vote because they don't know what they don't know.

[Vidu]

I agree the leave option should be removed in dungeons since a lot of people leave if someone is new the dungeon if I get something I don't like and there's new people in it I still stay and teach the new people the dungeon raid or trial

No, leave has to stay an option. I know its frustrating when people leave because someone is new or doesnt like the dungeon, but thats still prefered over them demanding to be kicked, faking a DC (and hoping for a kick then) or just afk'ing/doing nothing to contribute to the dungeon at all. If someone leaves you can at least look for a replacement at once and the person who left gets their penalty as punishment (if someone gets kicked they dont get the penalty).
But it also has to be an option so people can get out of abusive situations or parties harrassing them (without having to shut the game down completly).

People need to be allowed the choice to get out of dungeons if they want to - at a cost, which is the penalty that is already in place, but forcing people to spend their time with content they dont want to do (wether thats because of the content or the people they get paired with doesnt matter) cant and shouldnt be the solution. Removing the "leave"-option will make things worse, not better.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I agree the leave option should be removed in dungeons since a lot of people leave if someone is new the dungeon if I get something I don't like and there's new people in it I still stay and teach the new people the dungeon raid or trial

Even if they removed the leave option (which they would never do), people would just log off or go afk till you kicked them if they didnt like the dungeon