Just my sad little feelings on Whm...

[bounddreamer]

If you didn't want people to comment with opposing points of view, the official forum was not the place for your post. A blog post closed to comments would have been the appropriate venue. Just saying.

All healer jobs have been nerfed and adjusted. It definitely comes across as overly dramatic to be predicting doom for WHM even before launch. Especially considering one of the jobs that was actually being played in the livestream by both of the devs was WHM (not the other two).

[NorthernLadMSP]

I'm just making the point that this isn't baseless at all. They said they want to keep whm a pure healer. We know ast isn't losing cards, and nothing indicates they're losing balance or arrow. If anything they're getting even more utility. Likewise with sch nothing indicates they're losing fey wind. For anyone who understands this game's meta to any degree it's pretty obvious whm isn't getting what they need to be balanced. People are trying to portray all this as just baseless whining, but I'd say those people havn't paid attention to what anyone is saying, nor have bothered to understand the issue.

Until people have all of the cold-hard facts in front of them, then it is baseless whining.

[Yorumi]

Until people have all of the cold-hard facts in front of them, then it is baseless whining.

Not when they're irrelevant, or have you just not bothered to understand the issue in the slightest. Heal potency and barrier potency are irrelevant to whm getting a role in a raid. What we know for sure. Devs want all healer combinations to be able to heal content, therefore sch and ast won't be nerfed to require whm's healing power. That means healing power alone is not sufficient to get a raid spot. Sch and AST are not losing their utility. Devs said they want to keep whm as pure healer, so whm is not getting added utility.

So basically for whm to be relevant the devs would have to be outright lying.

[HopeEstheim]

I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand but we know what is causing whm not to be taken to content. It's their lack of utility. Why take a pure healer when you can get the same thing in ast and sch plus party damage buffs? So lacking that as I said before they could put bene on a 2 second cooldown and it wouldn't help whm. The reason you don't see this on the tank or dps forums is unlike whm, there is nothing that obviously suggests a class will be completely undesirable for content.

Everybody, really, agree that right now, that WHM is the worst healer, ok, we get it.
But you seem to hold a lot of information that we don't know of?
There's literally a whole thread speaking about divine seal being removed from WHM : yet we don't even have the tooltip, just an icon/name. There's no base, except what Yoshida said about WHM.

We know nothing about the upcoming meta, we know nothing about new/replaced spells of WHM, and we don't know what will happen to SCH/AST.
That's not because Yoshida said that they want WHM to be a pure healer that you won't get a form of utility, just look at what they have done to MNK and PLD. They were at the same state as WHM is right now, but they took their weakness and made it a strength : PLD will be able to tank magic damage, and get AOE, and MNK will get group utility. They acknowledged the problem of these job, i'm pretty sure they have something in reserve for WHM.
You can be a pure healer with utility, I don't see the problem, maybe some healing spells will give some form of damage enhancement. We know nothing.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Thank you Hope, I'm glad some people understand.

[Yorumi]

You can be a pure healer with utility, I don't see the problem, maybe some healing spells will give some form of damage enhancement. We know nothing.

That doesn't make any logical sense at all within the context of the game. If a healer + utility is a pure healer, why are they making that distinction specifically for whm? That effectively strips that phrase of any meaning within the game. Beyond the fact that that definition would apply to sch and ast, the context of the pure healer remarks is in the realm of utility.

You guys want to show up and say everyone is whining while you're clinging to the idea that the devs arn't being truthful or making accurate statements. You mention all pld got, great but they showed us that. So they decided for some reason to show off the changes to every class except whm. They are going to keep all that utility completely secret and not show it all. Again that makes no sense at all.

[HopeEstheim]

You mention all pld got, great but they showed us that. So they decided for some reason to show off the changes to every class except whm. They are going to keep all that utility completely secret and not show it all..

To be fair, Yoshida never switched to any healer. We don't know anything about SCH/AST future either, as we don't have any tooltip available ( compared to WAR/SAM/RDM etc... )
IMO, SCH are the ones who should be the more afraid. The fairy link and the fact that SE finds the job to be too strong seems to be a huge nerf : and yet I don't see ANY scholar complaining, because they don't know, just like we don't know anything about WHM. Why are you even playing the game if you don't trust the devs at all?

[Acidblood]

You're being pretty dramatic considering we know pretty much nothing about what the game is going to look like. The numbers. The overall balance. ANYTHING.

SCH and AST could have their healing abilities dramatically or mildly nerfed. WHM could have healing-based utility, which could still make it a pure healer. Massive healing could be very important come Stormblood.

I remember how many times the FFXIV community has thrown shade at new things before we knew what they really were like. Remember how much everyone hated on Ninja? Yeah, now it's pretty much required...

... Except they can't, becuase if they reduce AST / SCH healing too much then they will be non-viable (which is not good either). Also, NIN is only 'required' now because positive changes were actually made, and I can't see why people (like you) wouldn't want the same for WHM :/

Yeah same here, the healer community is acting really strange, we know nothing about the new spells except vague ideas and people are crying like they were playing their life
When you look at tank forum, you don't see 50 threads about how dark knight is going to be treated as the new paladin since they will now be able to tank magic damage without much trouble. There are some DRKs who feel afraid but the discussion is always toward speculation, not "omg my job is dead nobody wants me"
Same for the DPS, they just have fun thinking about what their abilities will be

And here you take a look at the healer forum : "Don't touch cleric" and "Whm is dead". Wow...

Because unlike Tanks, where PLD got appropriately improved, and DRK is still a well rounded class, and unlike DPS where their cross-role abilities are actually interesting (and there is some choice), Healers (and Tanks) pretty much got screwed by the cross-role system (losing a lot of basic utilities to it), and WHM in particular, that has been needing help for a while now, has gotten especially screwed (zero choice in cross-role simply to get back what they had) and all that was said for them was 'they are not changing'.

[Ailis]

Stormblood isnt even out yet and people are already being like this? whoa

[HopeEstheim]

Healers (and Tanks) pretty much got screwed by the cross-role system (losing a lot of basic utilities to it), and WHM in particular, that has been needing help for a while now, has gotten especially screwed (zero choice in cross-role simply to get back what they had) and all that was said for them was 'they are not changing'.

You see, this argument coming again and again is a problem to me. Why do people not realize that is a chance for WHM to be a lot improved? Protect, Esuna, Shroud, and maybe if people are right that "divine seal copy".... You should be happy to get NEW skills, WHM will be the healer with the most new abilities. How is WHM more screwed than every other healer?

SCH/AST will need protect, they will need esuna, they will need shroud and "divine seal copy" if that's a thing... That's already 4 slot taken for the 3 healers, but in the process, SCH loose almost nothing and AST nothing, while WHM will get a lot of new abilities. You can't tell me the devs are going to give WHM ~6/7 new healing spells without acknowledging their lack of support, and not giving any shape of it to them. Look, they literally said that "RDM will be a pure dps and no support!", and yet, he get a party 10% buff with a 4% decay every 4sec... This is not the first time the devs don't tell everything about what's coming next.