PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Well, TBH I'd just kick the dragoon in the first place. That's kind of the essence of being carried, and if he can't put up comparable dps... well, I have better things to do than deal with a weak melee deeps.

... congratulations. You just proved you have absolutely no idea how damage works in this game. That is a proper rotation for Dragoons when AoEing down trash. There is literally nothing else they can do. A healer simply has a significantly higher burst, however their damage may fluctuate due to healing requirements.

[Seoulstar]

I just realized how this was a thread meaning to inform people of a change. But it got derailed and turned into a typical fighting thread about healers dpsing or not.

[kattzkitti]

I just realized how this was a thread meaning to inform people of a change. But it got derailed and turned into a typical fighting thread about healers dpsing or not.

Welcome to why western playerbases can't have nice things.

[Oscura]

Welcome to why western playerbases can't have nice things.

Can we please not pretend that other cultures and/or regions don't have public arguments or disagreements. It is not as if every (non-western) playerbase politely bows their head or nods whenever a controversial topic appears and moves on.

[SpookyGhost]

So what exactly is the Dragoon supposed to do here; pull 1,000 DPS out of their butt?

http://xivdb.com/action/85/blood+for+blood
http://xivdb.com/action/96/dragonfire+dive
http://xivdb.com/action/3555/geirskogul

That said B4B and DFD both sit on long CDs and Geirskogul requires Blood of the Dragon, whereas WHM just needs Assize.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Let's just ignore that Holy has percentile damage falloff per additional target, whereas Doom Spike does full damage to every target hit. Also, your math is incorrect. The actual values are 1,270 for WHM and 1,090 for DRG. However, that's also pointless comparison since the DRG is going to be using cooldowns, which will greatly increase that number and easily surpass the WHM.

Which I accounted for. Aero III ticking for its full duration is 40x8 + 50 (370) and Holy adjusted for its percentile decrease is 900 overall (20 potency loss per extra target started from a base of 200). Furthermore... where are you getting that number for DRG? Heavy Thrust (170) + five Doom Spikes (160x5) is 970.

Eventually, yes, they will pull ahead, but the point being illustrated is a healer DPSing isn't carrying the DRG. They're both contributing a substantial amount of damage.

[SpookyGhost]

Furthermore... where are you getting that number for DRG? Heavy Thrust (170) + five Doom Spikes (160x5) is 970.

HT gives +15% damage dealt.

e: I assumed you did the math correctly initially, so I'd just like to correct my previous post and say that you only need DFD, B4B, or Geirskogul rather than needing 2-3 of them. Still, WHM doing comparable numbers to a dedicated DPS is p good.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

http://xivdb.com/action/85/blood+for+blood
http://xivdb.com/action/96/dragonfire+dive
http://xivdb.com/action/3555/geirskogul

That said B4B and DFD both sit on long CDs and Geirskogul requires Blood of the Dragon, whereas WHM just needs Assize.

Oh, definitely. I omitted Dragonfire Dive due to its long CD making it less dependable. Likewise, I specified potency not raw damage to illustrate WHM has higher fronted damage potential. Asking them to deal damage isn't carrying the DPS. They simply do significantly high damage though it inevitably plateaus.

[LunaFaye]

Can we please not pretend that other cultures and/or regions don't have public arguments or disagreements. It is not as if every (non-western) playerbase politely bows their head or nods whenever a controversial topic appears and moves on.

That might be true, but I doubt any other culture will go off topic right after the third comment, carrying that on for the next 100+ pages. By then nobody knows what the topic was about anyways and we can close/delete it, or start over again by creating the exact same topic just phrasing the header differently. That's defiantly something we western players can be proud off. Nobody else can do it better than we do lol.

[Seoulstar]

Can we please not pretend that other cultures and/or regions don't have public arguments or disagreements. It is not as if every (non-western) playerbase politely bows their head or nods whenever a controversial topic appears and moves on.

While that is true. That doesn't stop the fact that this topic has been discussed and fought over to the point it's more of a headache and the argument just goes in a circle

Edit: Let alone it gets to the point where a thread has no intention of fighting just to literally warn people turns into another argument thread. At some point people need to realize that this is getting ridiculous.