Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

[starLivitation]

i am totally against it. viera are 100% kitty race with longer ears, period.

[Khaoticsuccubus]

Going to other threads doesn't end that, it just ends debate. What ends circular arguments is facts and reason, and actually listening to facts and reason. There has been a lot of emotion and bias involved in this debate, especially from the pro-viera crowd (to the point of dismissing quotes and evidence entirely), and that is the cause of circular arguments. To be fair though, I didn't expect anything less than what amounts to simply a Viera circle jerk thread.

Now now, let's not pretend to have some sort of moral high ground. Both sides have spoken with facts and reason just as both sides have spoken with emotion and irrational abrasion. There is just as much emotion and bias in the anti-viera crowd as the pro.

[Lambdafish]

Now now, let's not pretend to have some sort of moral high ground. Both sides have spoken with facts and reason just as both sides have spoken with emotion and irrational abrasion. There is just as much emotion and bias in the anti-viera crowd as the pro.

You are correct, perhaps I was overzealous to generalise, however, I am basing it on my own personal experience especially in the last few pages of the thread. Either way, I apologise, and clarify that forum debate among lots of different people is not black and white.

[Alacran]

Seriously? Your argument is that animating emotions on a non-human is a budgetary concern? Lol! As for non-humans being animated with emotional impact, watch a Pixar movie.

Heh, why should I? I enjoy playing a game where they cater to a certain aesthetic that i enjoy. They actually, activly make a attempts to further many of the things you and many of those against Viera bring up so much.

In game marriages.

In game item rewards.

Continued in game animation additions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_vK9LYGw7g

We may not have Viera yet, but SE knows their fanbase. This isn't WoW where every armor set has shoulder pads that takes up 70% of a characters visual representation, and look like the pinnacle of N64 graphics. This isn't a game world/ environment where the options to play as Orcs, Goblins, Minotaurs, Trolls (despite admirable attempts), Wearwolves, Kobolds, ect... exist. It's not a bad thing to want but not sensible to want it in a place that continues to move in the opposite direction.

I don't have to watch a pixar movie, because im fine playing FFXIV for my enjoyment, it's not a question of whether or not they can, but why should they? It doesn't fit the established lore, world, narrative, or evidence established by continued rising player base.

By all means continue to deny that Viera could and would fit in Hydalen, continue to claim this opposition in a support thread is discussion, it doesn't change the facts. FFXIV is made with a certain visual appeal, AuRa were the answer they felt to the "demand" of a "beastly" race, Viera have been wanted by many players since FFXI, many of them now play FFXIV, of which much of the races mirror. They have a design all their own not like other games, that is large part of the games appeal. Why change the formula now?

[savageink]

I don't have to watch a pixar movie, because im fine playing FFXIV for my enjoyment, it's not a question of whether or not they can, but why should they? It doesn't fit the established lore, world, narrative, or evidence established by continued rising player base.

First, they couldn't animate non-humans to show emotions, then it was too much work to animate them, now it's why bother? Like the others said, why bother adding any at all? There are no Viera lurking in Ul'dah anywhere, I haven't seen any mentions of long eared humanoids in game. The lore you are referencing is from completely different games. Adding any race human or otherwise will require adding them to the lore of this one. Just like any non-human races they were thinking about pulling. It would be more honest just to say you like Viera and want them, then to tell others they can't disagree or like others. No matter what the title of this is, posting in a discussion forum is going to get opposing views.

[Alacran]

First, they couldn't animate non-humans to show emotions, then it was too much work to animate them, now it's why bother? Like the others said, why bother adding any at all? There are no Viera lurking in Ul'dah anywhere, I haven't seen any mentions of long eared humanoids in game. The lore you are referencing is from completely different games. Adding any race human or otherwise will require adding them to the lore of this one. Just like any non-human races they were thinking about pulling. It would be more honest just to say you like Viera and want them, then to tell others they can't disagree or like others. No matter what the title of this is, posting in a discussion forum is going to get opposing views.

Whoa there Kitten, i never said they couldn't. I was not referencing any specific lore in my race run down, only providing examples of beastly races since my asking for examples went unanswered. Next never have i tried to hide i wanted Viera in this game hence the reason i an posting in a Viera support thread. Lastly in so far as Auri being mentioned before introduction, as far i know only the Odin minion makes reference to them, from that one mention we have AuRa (please prove me wrong, i love lore and would enjoy the read. Seriously no sarcasm.) before Yugiri ever "stepped foot" on Erozea.

Lore of another region, a forgotten parallel world, a secret society is not so hard to implement, nor is it as resource consuming as animating a nearly unused player race for the sake of "diverse options". What was expanded upon in 2.0 was simply what FFXI never got around to doing, Kitten.

[savageink]

Whoa there Kitten, i never said they couldn't. I was not referencing any specific lore in my race run down, only providing examples of beastly races since my asking for examples went unanswered. Next never have i tried to hide i wanted Viera in this game hence the reason i an posting in a Viera support thread. Lastly in so far as Auri being mentioned before introduction, as far i know only the Odin minion makes reference to them, from that one mention we have AuRa (please prove me wrong, i love lore and would enjoy the read. Seriously no sarcasm.) before Yugiri ever "stepped foot" on Erozea.

Lore of another region, a forgotten parallel world, a secret society is not so hard to implement, nor is it as resource consuming as animating a nearly unused player race for the sake of "diverse options". What was expanded upon in 2.0 was simply what FFXI never got around to doing, Kitten.

So, Meat Puppet. Animating a different race from viera, would be more work then viera. Adding lore for a different race from viera would be ...pretty much the same as viera since they do not currently exist in game. I don't see it. And I stand by the opinion that thier ears are awkward looking, which is probably why they did horns instead, Meat Puppet.

[Alacran]

So, Meat Puppet. Animating a different race from viera, would be more work then viera. Adding lore for a different race from viera would be ...pretty much the same as viera since they do not currently exist in game. I don't see it. And I stand by the opinion that thier ears are awkward looking, which is probably why they did horns instead, Meat Puppet.

See, now i just feel you're thinking dirty thoughts Kitten.

You are entitled to your opinion no denying that, but what you can see (and choose to ignore) really have little bearing on the trends and direction i outlined earlier, trends the dev team show no signs stopping, Kitten.

[savageink]

See, now i just feel you're thinking dirty thoughts Kitten.

You are entitled to your opinion no denying that, but what you can see (and choose to ignore) really have little bearing on the trends and direction i outlined earlier, trends the dev team show no signs stopping, Kitten.

OK...this big argument now is that the devs will make Viera because they do things players request? Even though they already rejected it once? I just can't see them doing a rabbit themed expansion. Au ra came with the dragons and flying and scale mail theme of the HW expansion. You might get some steampunk cyber people if they are going to Garlemand...or whatever that place is called, Meat Puppet.

Edit: Oh, I know. If the swimming thing goes over well maybe they'll give us mer-people. What do ya think, Meat Puppet?

[Nestama]

Lore of another region, a forgotten parallel world, a secret society is not so hard to implement, nor is it as resource consuming as animating a nearly unused player race for the sake of "diverse options". What was expanded upon in 2.0 was simply what FFXI never got around to doing, Kitten.

It'd be pretty bad storytelling and a poor excuse to add them, though. Out of the three things you listed, only the first would make the most sense and that would probably not be something to expect until 6.0 (since 5.0 is going into Garlean territory, we'd have seen a Viera since the beginning of ARR. Some Viera are wanderers, so to not expect a few to be captured and indoctrinated by the Empire and be a part of their invading army is silly). The other two just raise "why would they bother revealing themselves now?" arguments. A forgotten parallel world can't work due to Hydaelyn being too weak to hide anything and if it were the Viera hiding themselves... then why would they decide to no longer do that and suddenly have a bunch of them running around? This applies to the 'secret society,' as well. You don't want to be known, so why suddenly have a bunch of your secret people running about the place?