Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Tyrn]

I don't claim to be any sort of adept at WAR, but isn't Butcher's Block a WAR's most potent combo?

Not by much, the difference between just repeating eye-eye instead of eye-bb is 20 potency. The problem is if the MT is either a PLD or DRK they'll need to swap from their dps combos (which don't have any enmity multipliers except for a small one on Savage Blade for pld) to their enmity combo regularly to keep the lead and for both of them the loss is much greater than what a WAR gains from eye-bb. PLD lose a lot of potency switching RA to RoH, the direct potency loss on DRK is small but more importantly they lose the MP they would've gotten from Syphon Strike if they have to use their enmity combo instead of DPS combo.

Though all of this is assuming the person tanking is actually trying to maximize their DPS instead of just spamming their enmity combo over and over.

[Alien_Gamer]

To all Warrior as off tank. Please, stop spamming Butcher Block combo on bosses. Use it only if you have enough aggro margin or you're the main tank. You're obliging Main tanks to go Tank stance or use aggro combo. Then you complain "because the DRK don't drop grit" or PLD don't use Sword Oath. Rotate Storm path/Storm Eye. It is the best party wise.

If you're MT your default stance should be tank stance, if you're OT your default stance should be DPS. If you're MT and I can rip aggro off you when I'm OT and in DPS stance then you need to turn on tank stance or stop being MT, just like if any other DPS threatens to take your aggro. Your job is to hold hate, use your tools to do so. Whats best for your party is for the MT to hold hate so the DPS and OT tank don't have to hold back just so you can turn off tank stance. Also, War's highest DPS chain is Butchers block alternated with Storm's Eye for the debuff, so no we won't stop using it.

[Thoro39]

Everytime a War uses Butcher's block, he gains 20 potency over Storm's Eye.
In return, due to Butcher's Block hate modifier, every Butcher's block Combo an OT WAR uses, forces the PLD/DRK MT to use their hate combo instead in order to keep being ahead in aggro.
A DRK using PowerSlash over Delirium/DA+Souleater loses 70 potency including the Manaloss, a PLD using Rage of Halone over Royal Authority loses 90 potency.

So what is more important? A WAR gaining meager 20 potency by using Block and making the DRK/PLD lose 70/90 potency? Simple math says no.
And that is why the party gains more raidwide dps by having the WAR resort to Eye>Eye or Eye>Path spam when he's close to grabbing aggo. Anything else like the post above me is just selfish WARs speaking for themselves and only thinking of their own DPS.
DPS and aggro is a partywide responsibility, you play as a party and work out together what comes out as mathematically the best.

[Urthdigger]

Had a party last night leveling my BRD in Gubal library. Our tank was an alright PLD, but the WHM and the NIN were just atrocious. Both kept standing in all the AoEs they could find (I had to constantly cleanse heavy off the healer during the first boss just so she could survive disclosure), and went randomly AFK at times, even midfight! Worse still, they were together so I couldn't kick them.

I flat out told them at the end that I hope I never get stuck with them again.

[Lilseph]

Truth

Also, according to the poster above, the MT should be on tank stance. So, with that line of thought, apparently getting that extra 20 potency, they are willing to sacrifice the bonuses from DPS stance, stance-less bonuses. 15% more DPS from PLD + extra 75 potency attack and that 20% gain from removing grit, plus enabling the DRK to use Blood Weapon. If they are willing to sacrifice that for their +20 potency from Butcher's, yes, they are completely selfish.

But yes, overall I agree and also depends on the fight. Sometimes you can use Butcher's after Eye, sometimes you can't, depends on aggro, depends on many things. Keeping Path up helps the MT the mitigate better, allowing them to stay on DPS stances for longer.

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I know what you mean when it comes to the no-Darkside Dark Knights. It was especially bad back in the day when Foreverreap was relevant. Every second DRK I met, in EX or otherwise, either could not keep up DS due to MP management, or didn't even try. Try to offer help or ask why they don't use it: instant hostility. It's gotten a lot better since, but there's still the odd edgelord here and there...
I mean come on, I'm a sucky DRK, it's easily one of my worst jobs, but even I can keep up DS during pulls, maybe needing a short break between two if I messed up real bad. If one chooses to main a job they should at least try to learn the basics.

This is why I almost never give advice anymore. Either hostility or I get ignored. At this point, I'd rather see what's the best for the group and queue up. Try to do my best to make the run go as smooth as possible, trying to compensate their slackness or ignorance about their class. I know it might sound cocky, but we're all tired of farming the same thing over and over, we however still need these rewards. Some optimization here and there won't hurt. Make a run a bit less painless and a bit quicker, if possible.

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So I might have crossed the line and I went straight to the Twilight Zone. I was on SCH and my GF was on SMN, we decided to do level 60 roulette and we got Gubal HM. We got paired up with a WAR and a melee DPS. The run went amazingly smooth, zero mistakes, things were melting. When we got to the Behemot book after the huge full after Living Flame, my protect was still at 22min left. The final boss died a second after he imp'd us. We had to split our commendations, because they did amazing. They did the same thing for us. <3 I wish I could meet them again in the future.

[Silverquick]

I like to think I'm an okay brd. Not going to be top dps, but I try not to embarrass myself. And if I do, at least I'm the brd who will sing songs until MP interferes.

Did expert, got into the Wall. Sang FoeReq as often as possible, because the blm was destroying things and (inadvertently) yanking aggro. We get to the end...and I got all three comms.

Not a premade - and boy did that surprise me. Feels good, though.

Oh GOD yeah...

I'll be sitting there AoEing a trash pack as a SMN and suddenly my Deathflare Crits hit the 13k mark and I'll be going... what???

Oh nevermind... there's a Bard in party.

I know the BLMs Fire IVs are bumping up to a good 15-16K range on some Boss Mob battles. I notice it right away. The problem is, I know some people take this for granted, and forget to Com the Bard in the end. I at least try to.

[Sebazy]

Never thought I'd see the day I'd be posting here, I generally keep myself under the radar, make sure heals are on point and pitch in a decent amount of DPS.

So I queue for expert, get a pleasant enough party. The tank's pulling at a pace that is appropriate for our DPS. I'm managing good damage whilst keeping everyone topped with tight Eos management, I'm pitching in personal HPS as well where needed (aka the stretch to the first boss). No one went low, mobs died. Another day, another smooth Expert I thought.

Then we get to the Griffin. It started out pretty much in line with how the rest of the dungeon had been, mechanics weren't done perfectly but the boss was dieing. Then came Blade of the Griffin.... I baned my dots over from the boss, the bard also appeared to be on it as well. And then it explodes, the first time I've ever seen that mechanic failed. Both DPS get one shot by 26.6k hits, I barely survive with sub 1k hp along with the tank. Np I think, SC/Raise the monk, top us a bit and then raise the bard. Unfortunately restraining collar got me before my raise finished casting and it promptly wasn't killed in time. NP! I give a light hearted 'Oopsy =s' in /p and start running back. Then it decides to 'escalate' from there. The MNK decided to start taking offence with my DPS claiming that I wasn't healing (Ironically he had almost as much healing on him as the tank on boss #2 due to him ignoring the dynamic sensor mechanic and me adlo/lustrating him to ensure he didn't die to the AOE right after it, and for double irony points, it could be argued that if I DPSed more, that sword wouldn't have exploded!). Npnp, I point out that we failed to kill the sword which got them one shot and left it at that.

We had a second attempt, this time the sword was killed a bit quicker (by the bard mainly), but again, we got to restraining collar. It wasn't killed in time again (This time the bard and PLD got it close, the monk put 1 or two GCDs into it), the rest is best explained by the chat log screenshot I guess.

In honesty it wouldn't have really bothered me, it was a shame the run was abandoned as we easily could have killed it, as I stated in /say after, kill sword > kill collar = jobs done. We were never in any danger of dieing through a lack of healing and the party wide DPS was perfectly enough. But then the monk just had to start sending me /tells calling me a noob after the instance. V classy, and thus here I am, for the naysayers and curious, the full log of the run is uploaded and easily found with a search. I'm quietly confident that I ran that dungeon flawlessly and I can't think of anything short of spreading an adlo *after* the blade aoe that could have made it go any smoother (which would have still likely seen me dieing to the first collar anyway). It's a shame they logged when they did though, I really was interested in hearing their view on things.

Here's hoping they see this and then the log tbh, hopefully they will learn to cool their jets off a little and try to work out what actually went wrong before going off on someone seemingly at random.

[bounddreamer]

I hope you reported him for harassment, he shouldn't be sending you tells outside of duty like that. :/

[ErryK]

"You very noob"

This Monk... he's an idiot.
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[ChloeGrace]

Triple comms are actually not that uncommon as a Bard, although I usually leave with 1 or 2.

IDK. Sometimes I can bard my ass off, and get no comms, while other times I'm tired and just go through the motions - not bad, but not optimal - and get 2 or 3. It's a strange beast.