I'm calling it the Epidemic. (This is a rant, if you dont wanna hear it, don't click)

[akaneakki]

That's why I was asking, i don't play Monk, so I don't know. Once I level Monk, I'll know. Is that hard to understand?

Oh. I'm sorry. But what the other guy said. Dots on single target vs aoe on 3 or more. You would obviously aoe. Sorry again! And mnk is fun, so have fun with that.

[Kaethra]

That's why I was asking, i don't play Monk, so I don't know. Once I level Monk, I'll know. Is that hard to understand?

I don't play a monk either, but quick research on just the tooltip says that Demolish is 420 potency total, and Snap Punch is 180. Then Rockbreaker is 130 AOE. Which on 3 targets is 390 potency instantly. If the mobs aren't going to die quickly, I'd say Demolish on all, then Rockbreaker. Otherwise Rockbreaker.

That's just my assessment. From someone with a 50MNK who hasn't played one in several years (effectively don't know the class). And just going by tooltips.

A simpler example is Summoner. I can ruin for 70 potency or Blizzard II for 50. Assuming Shadowflare, Painflare, and Bane is done, it makes sense to do Blizzard over Ruin. Of course if mp is an issue, you may want to consider Ruin. Usually its not an issue, but as anyone who's done DF, a few Ressurrects can do atrocious things to your MP pool.

But suffice to say, reading a tooltip and doing simple math usually gets you the info you need. If single target does 300 and aoe is 160. Usually the AOE is more damage on two or more targets. 2 x 160 = 320 > 300. That can be done by most on the fly. Or if ST is 300 and AOE is 50.. you might want to have more than 4-5 targets before spamming AOE.

It differs class to class, and job to job.. or even class to job in some cases.

[Brill_]

They should make a server for elitists. They will clear content on the first day because everyone will know what to do. They will never wipe because they never make mistakes. They will clear fast because will all have amazing dps. Then the rest of us mere mortals can play the game without being expected to match the skill level of the top 1% players.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

They should make a server for elitists. They will clear content on the first day because everyone will know what to do. They will never wipe because they never make mistakes. They will clear fast because will all have amazing dps. Then the rest of us mere mortals can play the game without being expected to match the skill level of the top 1% players.

Funny thing is, you'll never be able to come to a consensus on what players actually qualify. People throw away "elitist" nowadays for simply putting out what they're doing is wrong.

[marcmy]

i've been complaining to friends the past few weeks about this same exact thing. almost every group i get into in DF lately we have at least one, often 2 and sometimes 3 people who don't know what they're doing at all. people who don't AOE on 5+ mobs and are doing a fraction of my DPS, BLMs who don't fire 2 and just use ice, monks who use tornado kick everytime they get GL3 up, healers that refuse to DPS (though i'll admit this isn't anything new, still disappointing) OR dps with cleric stance off, WARs that just use flash and not OP, NINs that don't use trick attack or doton a single mob. believe it or not there are even some players that spam one single skill over and over out of combo. the list goes on and on. it really does feel like an epidemic, i've never encountered so many bad players in such a short amount of time as i have these past few weeks.

[marcmy]

now i've never considered myself an elitist or anything, in fact i get extremely angry at anyone that throws FFlogs parses in my face or my friends. i've even kicked people from groups for doing that. i don't like elitists at all...

that said, i don't think i'm being an elitist by saying that people need to learn to read their skills and understand how to play their class. it makes me wonder if this game isn't doing a good enough job of teaching people how to play, maybe there needs to be more tutorials, i don't know. but something is definitely wrong when you have this many players who are absolutely awful at their job.

is it because there's a wave of new players due to the free login weekend? is it because most of the regulars have exhausted the current content and are taking a break? i don't know. but this is a serious problem. question is how do we fix it, or can we fix it at all?

[Faliandra]

They should make a server for elitists. They will clear content on the first day because everyone will know what to do. They will never wipe because they never make mistakes. They will clear fast because will all have amazing dps. Then the rest of us mere mortals can play the game without being expected to match the skill level of the top 1% players.

judging by the lvl of sodium in your comment, you must be one of those players in question because you obviously have ignored most of this thread
and completely failed to grasp the point. Do you also ignore your tooltips like that?

Also: Can you please stop spouting your BS about top 1% elitist players when this whole thread has been about just wanting people to TRY and accept advice?

[marcmy]

Not saying there aren't plenty of sub-par players in this game, but... did you, at any point, try talking to these people in a polite and friendly way to get these problems solved?

If you notice an issue, you can reduce the likelihood of it happening to other people by (politely) sharing what you know and improving the community overall.

That will go a lot farther than a call-out post on forums populated in a vast majority by people who are already pretty passionate--and therefore at least slightly more likely--to be better players than your average DF teammate.

I have tried this many times, unfortunately most ppl ignore it, some even get offended. I've only had a handful of ppl actually listen, and even then, there wasn't a significant difference. You can't really teach someone how to play their class in 2 or 3 lines in the middle of a dungeon. It's a good gesture, but it fails a lot more than it works.

[Kaethra]

Funny thing is, you'll never be able to come to a consensus on what players actually qualify. People throw away "elitist" nowadays for simply putting out what they're doing is wrong.

It goes back to the Casual/Hardcore terms from when Planes of Power came out in Everquest. Before than, average players using mismatched items from 3 different expansions could do normal group stuff. In PoP, the rats in Plane of Justice would literally eat you alive if you had anything prior to High End Velious and Mid to High End Luclin gear. That mean many average players had to be turned away from Simple grouping in the new (at the time) expansion.

Some stepped up their game and adapted. Many others took offense (as is the norm for our culture of gamers to do), and lashed out. They basically said, "well my gear isn't good enough because I'm not 'Hardcore' like those raiders." And they further explained what they meant by 'hardcore' by saying, "I play casually since I have a life outside the game." Implying that those better geared then them are only capable of such simply because they don't have a life, single, and live in their parent's basements.

Its been that way for a while. Hardcore was paired up with 'no life raiders' and 'elitist' and other terms. Basically anytime you try to correct someone, or give a reason why they're falling behind, or even try to give helpful but unwanted advice (even if its needed to complete a duty). You get lashed out at and they attempt to marginalize.

I usually try to avoid such labels myself for this reason.

[akaneakki]

They should make a server for elitists. They will clear content on the first day because everyone will know what to do. They will never wipe because they never make mistakes. They will clear fast because will all have amazing dps. Then the rest of us mere mortals can play the game without being expected to match the skill level of the top 1% players.

Nobody is askign for the 1% top players gameplay either. They are asking to actually try and get better each time. Doesn't mean you have to be top player. What I don't get is why does people use the word elitist as a offensive word, when it's not? Now that's funny. Keep in mind there is a lot of great players and they are more than 1% of the playerbase. It feels like people actually ignore what people say in this thread and makes up some bs nobody said lol.