As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Lambdafish]

Are you referring to your likes? Why anyone could get a shitload just by insulting me alone

No? I'm referring to intellectual discussion, I'm not surprised that you missed it.

[Ashian]

What's wrong with doing DPS? As long as no one dies, it's pretty much fine.
Simply think this:
1: Did you wipe from wide-area damage because HP wasn't above certain threshold? Healers fault for not keeping HP up.
2: Did you die because you expected healers to keep your health full and didn't dodge skill shots? Your fault.
3: Did you die because no one did mechanics at all and expected healer to do everything? Did you discuss on who's doing mechanics or just assume all healers should just do the mechanics? If not, party is at fault.

There is nothing wrong with cleric stance at all. In fact, it adds more depth in playing healers. The point is to have fun with the game. No one pays their subscription to be a pocket healer and just sit there and do nothing for 10+ minutes in dungeon runs. It's boring. Why would you pay subscription to be bored? If that was the case, no one would ever queue healer, and there will be no dungeon runs.

[Tint]

There is nothing wrong with cleric stance at all. In fact, it adds more depth in playing healers. The point is to have fun with the game. No one pays their subscription to be a pocket healer and just sit there and do nothing for 10+ minutes in dungeon runs. It's boring. Why would you pay subscription to be bored? If that was the case, no one would ever queue healer, and there will be no dungeon runs.

i don't queue as a healer to dps for that 10 mins either. if i wanted to do that i would have queued as a dps class. i want to heal in that 10 mins. the game doesn't offer me that, because the incoming damage is way too low. if i want to heal i have to do that in raids, because nowhere else is the incoming damage high enough to be a healer. but oh, wait, i am expected to dps in said raids, because it's hardcore content and everybody should be on top level.

[Feyona]

No? I'm referring to intellectual discussion, I'm not surprised that you missed it.

Ive not missed anything here but most of your comments were quoting me are you referring to those? I wouldnt call it intellectual. Dont think Ive even seen much of a discussion just personal opininions of me for some reason . Now taking bits out of what is said and using it is that bad behaviour? You said it was

[Feyona]

i don't queue as a healer to dps for that 10 mins either. if i wanted to do that i would have queued as a dps class. i want to heal in that 10 mins. the game doesn't offer me that, because the incoming damage is way too low. if i want to heal i have to do that in raids, because nowhere else is the incoming damage high enough to be a healer. but oh, wait, i am expected to dps in said raids, because it's hardcore content and everybody should be on top level.

well yes this is what its like. Low content I will dps just to get he instances over with cos its pretty boring, and take my bard tank or summoner to ease the monotony. But raid is different, I like the challenge if I can heal. Cant really heal as scholar everyone wants you to dps. So had to change class to be able to heal, but now meta says all healers got to dps.

[Judge_Xero]

i don't queue as a healer to dps for that 10 mins either. if i wanted to do that i would have queued as a dps class. i want to heal in that 10 mins. the game doesn't offer me that, because the incoming damage is way too low. if i want to heal i have to do that in raids, because nowhere else is the incoming damage high enough to be a healer. but oh, wait, i am expected to dps in said raids, because it's hardcore content and everybody should be on top level.

Personally I queue for stuff to complete it regardless of what I have to do during the content. I mean TBH if I wanted to just heal stuff for 10 minutes I could sit in Idylshire and heal random people as they walk by, or maybe wander out into different zones and heal people struggling on FATES.

I haven't encountered any groups that expect healers to be doing a ton of damage in Raids, but there are specific spots where both healers can take advantage of adding some extra damage without too much risk.

Faust -> If SCH does Fey Wind and then swaps to Eos for Rouse/Dawn + Main Heal Regens on the pull both healers can DPS a lot before going back to heals.
A9S - Gravity/Holy DOTS/Bane and Shadowflare are great opportunities to add some DPS on the adds that will really help with party resources.
A10S - This boss is weak so the OH can DPS the whole time while shielding for AOE's and Tank Busters to buy the MH some DPS time
A11S - The whole first phase can be healed with Regens and healer DPS really helps to bypass Whirlwinds and Optics. Even if healers don't DPS at all afterwards it does help for the rest of the fight (kind of like Zurvan Soar)
A12S - During the add phase Healer DPS really helps to kill the small adds and the Almost Holy adds before damage becomes unhealable since they get damage increasing stacks the more times they cast. During Temporal Stasis is a good time for healers to DPS as there is only Alexander Auto Attacks and healers have the easiest mechanics to deal with.

So really if healers only DPS during those specific times they are pretty much pro, which isn't asking a lot IMO.

[Lambdafish]

Dont think Ive even seen much of a discussion just personal opininions of me for some reason

If you say so

i don't queue as a healer to dps for that 10 mins either. if i wanted to do that i would have queued as a dps class. i want to heal in that 10 mins. the game doesn't offer me that, because the incoming damage is way too low. if i want to heal i have to do that in raids, because nowhere else is the incoming damage high enough to be a healer. but oh, wait, i am expected to dps in said raids, because it's hardcore content and everybody should be on top level.

This is a valid problem with the game design. The damage either needs to be higher, or there needs to be more other than DPS (that is as relevant as DPS) that can be done. I don't have a specific solution because I'm not the dev team, but this is, unfortunately, the way that the game is designed. The "downtime" between healing is designed to cater to the lowest common denominator, and the side effect is that there is nothing to fill that idle time except DPS.

Edit: probably not relevant to your complaints, but it is good to know that healing in PVP doesn't suffer from the downtime problem.

So really if healers only DPS during those specific times they are pretty much pro, which isn't asking a lot IMO.

I'm in agreement with this. I don't know where the whole "healer DPS is everywhere in high level content" mentality comes from. I know it is in the more hardcore groups but that is fine. The community is actually incredibly diverse, and there are different levels of learning, clear, farm, world first-esque party. People just need to join the ones that are right for them. I have seen far more people jump into high-level parties expecting to have an easy carry than I have a high-level player enforcing healer DPS onto a casual group (which happens basically never).

[Ashian]

I'm not saying you should DPS. I'm just saying you should play how you want to play it. Some people prefer to add DPS as healer so let them DPS. If you don't want to DPS, you don't have to. I personally enjoy just healing; but when you're doing nothing at low content, I don't see a reason why not to DPS. Though if you're asking about high-level content, I'm pretty sure you can get away with not DPSing as healer. End game contents doesn't require healers to DPS. Heck, it's pretty tedious to get accuracy stats for healers without melding materia. If your party is lacking in DPS, tell DPS to rotate better or avoid dying since death is pretty much the reason for loss in DPS.

[Wanzer]

Strange how personal this has become really all these personal judgement and assumptions about my personality because I dont like the meta being forced.

Nothing personal here. I repeat : nothing personal here! You can stop already with this.

And no, nothing because you don't like the meta being forced*. Stop with this too. You can repeat it as much as you want, it won't make it more true. You aren't a lone hero fighting against the injustice from the FFXIV community. It's only because you are a very annoying person (stooop, i mean on this thread, i don't know in real life, only annoying here not irl), easily offended, who can't accept facts, advices and opinions from other people.
And animated gifs. I forgot that part, sorry.
Nothing about your opinion, only the way you choose to share it. As we say : Honey catches more flies than vinegar.

But i'm not one of the 4%, so maybe I'm wrong.
Enjoy your time loop!

*It make no sense by the way, or you still don't know what the meta means.

[bounddreamer]

This thread is really in sore need of macros.