As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Wanzer]

Im talking of the pressure of the meta

Try to think outside the box

^Yes, try this.
If you feel a certain pressure then maybe you aren't where you should be. You can't ask for changes only to fit with you and your lack of confidence. Especially if other players have no issue at all.
And it's not like there is nothing else to do in the game, eh.

This is the experience of the game. Expection = judgement = sentence = execution. I dont need numbers to state that my experience is real.

It's basically how everything works. Of course people have expectations and these expectations bring judgements... I mean... You don't have to be a genius to know how social interactions work. Everything is the same ! You wait something from someone, you don't see what you wanted to see (especially if it was needed and not unrealistic), then of course you say something about it... And of course you do something to change the situation. I don't see the problem there honestly.

I still have the feeling that you can't take any words. I mean, as if you just don't want to hear anything, and asking people to deal with it, even if you don't fit with them. But It's not possible. Trust me, I tried. I was still in a static group a few weeks ago. Half of the team was kinda... Not bad, but not good either. But I waited too long to say something, because I was waiting to see a change. And it never happened. Even if we tried many times to talk about what was wrong, even if our expectations weren't that high, it was only very frustrating at the end.

So, yeah, it's necessary to say something as soon as possible, or you'll end up just wasting their time and yours, and probably being bitter about people (exactly what happened to me). And It's important to know if you are at the right place too. It doesn't matter if you want to do a certain content, and how high is your ego, if you are in constant pressure then you should just do something else or find a group with expectations that you are able to provide. It is that simple.
^exactly why i'm not playing Overwatch in competitive mode for example. I would love to, especially being a part of a team but...

And... Why did we travel back in time? What happened to the other timeline? :/
Oh, at least now I know what a pigeon chess is. Thanks, Lambdafish !

everyone's opinion is valid and I dont dismiss your theories Im talking about the application of it and how it effects the game experience for people.

Yeah, right, and this is why we have seen people asking for an easy mode on Dark Souls also. You just can't ask the whole world to lower itself for you, and sometimes you have to accept it.

It reminds this... Somehow...

If you work with others there should always be negotiation of what the other is comfortable with, where some would rather just exclude people not following their 'rules' I dont really think its the way to help everyone to enjoy themselves.

This is why people have to find the right team, or to make their own.

How many people do you think these rules exclude? I bet its quite alot ,

What rules ?
Well, I don't know. Would it be fair to force people to crawl when they are able to run? It makes sense that people want to play with other people who share the same point of view/expectations/playstyle/etc. Still don't see why it's a problem.

thats also whats wrong with high expectations of people at end game and perhaps why people leave the game. Im not professing to know all facts and figures but Im thinking of leaving the game because of it.

Because you can't make your own team? Do you know that you can play the game without joining a hardcore static group?
We are kinda back on the "it's everything or nothing". It's impossible, Feyona. You can't force people to play with you if you have different opinions on how the things should work. And making negotiations don't work. As I said, I tried, and it was awful and frustrating. Just play with people who look like you : it's that easy.

[Taika]

This is why people have to find the right team, or to make their own.

Yeah, I don't understand why Feyona refuses to see this is a valid option for people. And in general, that all players are free to play with other players who share their goals and play style.

In our FC, since we have many freshly returned players who haven't done any Savage raiding at all, we for example started a group that runs once a week, starting from Alexander Savage floor 1. We don't have any requirements: people aren't for example expected to know anything at all about the fights beforehand (we learn as we wipe), have any melds, or use food or potions, and we don't discuss anyone's gear, rotations or DPS at all (other than when we should push harder as a team to beat certain phase and how we could do it). We're now on the last boss of A6S and after we beat it we'll be moving on to A9S, trying to get some of Creator cleared before SB. But the point is just to get some casual raiding experience, have a good time laughing at ourselves as we die, and often even managing to kill stuff somehow.

You can play this content however you want. You just need to find the people who share your goals and play style for it. No one is going to stop you.

[Feyona]

Yeah, I don't understand why Feyona refuses to see this is a valid option for people. And in general, that all players are free to play with other players who share their goals and play style.



You can play this content however you want. You just need to find the people who share your goals and play style for it. No one is going to stop you.

I just dont understand why you constantly think you know or dont know what I understand or make assumptions about what I do or dont do. Theres only one person here that knows and thats me. So maybe you should address me directlyand ask if I understand instead of assuming to others that I dont

[Taika]

I just dont understand why you constantly think you know or dont know what I understand or make assumptions about what I do or dont do. Theres only one person here that knows and thats me. So maybe you should address me directlyand ask if I understand instead of assuming to others that I dont

In countless posts in this thread you are implying that healers cannot currently take part in Savage content without feeling "constant daily pressure". Based on that (what you have wrote, nothing more, nothing less), I have understood that you don't see casual, pressure-free raiding as an option for healers in current environment. Do you think I have misunderstood your point? If so, please explain how. I don't intend to misunderstand you on purpose.

[Feyona]

In countless posts in this thread you are implying that healers cannot currently take part in Savage content without feeling "constant daily pressure". Based on that (what you have wrote, nothing more, nothing less), I have understood that you don't see casual, pressure-free raiding as an option for healers in current environment. Do you think I have misunderstood your point? If so, please explain how. I don't intend to misunderstand you on purpose.

Read my posts I was talking about zurvan farms and people expecting that healer dps makes them skip soar. Which maybe it helps, but already said if both healers are full on at start and you dont then its not healers to blame. But I was also referring to the fact that I see healers failing to heal properly when under pressure to dps. Some of my friends hate zurvan because of it and because they already got the bird dont want to step foot in there again so it isnt such a big option as your saying.

[Taika]

Read my posts I was talking about zurvan farms and people expecting that healer dps makes them skip soar. Which maybe it helps, but already said if both healers are full on at start and you dont then its not healers to blame. But I was also referring to the fact that I see healers failing to heal properly when under pressure to dps. Some of my friends hate zurvan because of it and because they already got the bird dont want to step foot in there again so it isnt such a big option as your saying.

So you were saying healers are under pressure only in Zurvan, and can play Savage without pressure? (I know you're not, you're just trying to explain each of your post differently every time someone questions the argument behind them.) Once again you're not actually replying to my question (if you see casual, pressure-free raiding as an option for healers in current environment or not) but trying to sidetrack the discussion to your personal experiences of very specific situations. And this is why it is so difficult trying to have an actual conversation with you, even when I am actually reading your posts and trying to understand your point.

[Feyona]

So you were saying healers are under pressure only in Zurvan, and can play Savage without pressure? (I know you're not, you're just trying to explain each of your post differently every time someone questions the argument behind them.) Once again you're not actually replying to my question

No ofc not I wasnt saying that at all. Look pressure is in farms thats why its a daily thing. I do savage once a week but if people kept leaving cos we didnt skip dark, and healers had to be seen to be dpsing their asses off in all phases I wouldnt even bother I see healers fail cos of trying to dpa and I struggle with a co healer thats afraid to come out cleric. Thats what I mean by unnecessary stress put there by the community but im sorry u find it hard to understand my points as I try to explain the best I can

[Feyona]

^Yes, try this.

I dont want to change the world just would like some unnessary pressure taken away by the designers cos I just feel this healer dps is going too far. This is a game and can be changed to make it more enjoyable whereas things in RL cant. I think people may play to get away from that harsh reality of having to perform to what standard others want if you try your best, its still not right. Im glad that you have experienced bad groups. While they are frustrating Im happy to just get a clear, but if you dont get one I guess it sucks yeah but I have to go through several groups before I get one. And its not healer dps at fault . I have made my own teams yes and if anyone messes up people leave. You do need friends I guess. Its not often you get 7 friends online at once , that want to do the same thing. I wasnt the first to use the word rules . I still dont think you totally get what Im saying, but its ok I dont expect everyone to

[Wanzer]

I dont want to change the world just would like some unnessary pressure taken away by the designers cos I just feel this healer dps is going too far.

It's not going anywhere, you know. You are only taking it in this way by yourself actually. Perhaps because you aren't in a content made for you, I mean, especially if you still feel some pressure after all your time around. Or just not with the right persons.

You don't want to change the world, but you want to change the actual meta, so... The game itself. Then, yeah, you want to change the world somehow. ^^

We could take Dark Souls as example : I have a friend who never beat the tutorial boss from DSIII, she gave up after many tries because it was too stressful and frustrating for her, despite the fact that she really wanted to know the story, its world, and met the characters of it. But she just failed. Does it mean the game itself was badly designed? Or that we should ask for changes? Because real life can be harsh, we have to remove all of the challenge from any games? I don't think so honestly. It's the same for the savage raid in FFXIV. They aren't made for everyone ; and everyone has to accept it.
I mean, it's like PvP in FFXIV. I badly suck at it, and won't get any of the rewards from it, even if I would love them... But eh... I have to deal with it. I'm not that special person who can get everything from everwhere.

This is a game and can be changed to make it more enjoyable whereas things in RL cant.

Then stop hitting your head on your wall for nothing. Some contents are made for specific players. I mean, you have the choice. Don't try too hard to be part of something if you can't handle it (because of the pressure, or other expectations). You have to accept it too. Unfortunately, we can't have everything. :/
You can work on it, and accept the actual meta, but you can't ask for changes only because you don't feel very comfortable about it.

I have made my own teams yes and if anyone messes up people leave. You do need friends I guess. Its not often you get 7 friends online at once , that want to do the same thing.

I wasn't saying you should play via the party finder, but that you should build your own static group with people who share the same expectations/objectives/etc. Trust me, it would fix every issues that you have with the actual game. Give it a try! Even here, on this forum. Just clearly write what you want in your team, i'm sure you'll find people willing to join you.

Im glad that you have experienced bad groups. While they are frustrating Im happy to just get a clear, but if you dont get one I guess it sucks

I don't know how to take the first part of your sentence. ^^;
And no, we didn't even get a clear. We tried to be really patient and very comprehensive, but it has never worked. Because we didn't have the same goals after all, even if they all joined the group via the same recruitment (so they all knew what we expected from them). So... Yeah. That's also why i'm telling you to find a group with the exact same wishes than you.

I still dont think you totally get what Im saying, but its ok I dont expect everyone to

Actually, I do. Or at least, I believe. But... Thanks.

Yeah, I don't understand why Feyona refuses to see this is a valid option for people. And in general, that all players are free to play with other players who share their goals and play style.

To be honest... I'm totally lost about this... I mean, the answer of all her problems is so simple. '-'