"Good gods, his voice could fell a gigas." I was sold after that.
"Good gods, his voice could fell a gigas." I was sold after that.
Really you could argue that almost any npc's role could be covered by another NPC. What is the point of Krile's character beyond being a character. Pretty much her role was mostly covered by Yshtola already. That doesn't mean I want to get rid of her because the Scion needs numbers and Krile is both a character I like and competent.
As for Alisaie, she isn't a scholar or a diplomat in the same way Alphinaud but her strengths lie elsewhere. She is competent, intelligent, resourceful and pragmatic. She has a healthy cynicism which grounds her character in a way Alphinaud lacks which is the source of one of his greatest weaknesses. Her story is of a young lady coming to understand why her beloved grandfather made the choice he did, accepting that loss and finding her own reason to turn to helping protect Eorzea. The next step for her seems to be figuring out how to do that.
Perhaps Krile is being set up to fill Y'stola's role in the future. Remember, when she visited her teacher, her teacher noted that the light was gone from Y'stola's eyes and that she would use up the 'energies' she received when she returned if she kept up her usual actions. Just a musing...
Heck with tactics...bumrush 'em and kill 'em all.
I like her personality, her voice, and that she's willing to go the outside road. I don't, however, like how haphazardly the plot has invested in her in turn. I'd have loved to have seen a bit more of her good sides, though where that equates to competence I could say that for any of the Scions. The NPCs in this game collectively and especially individually leave much to be desired, after all.
My thoughts have been that pretty much all of the 1.0 Scions will be filtered out/replaced slowely. Louisoix was the first, then Minfillia is gone (who she was ceased to be), Papalymo is dead, Yda is gone in a more symbolic way... Truth be told I expect either Thancred or Y'shtola to kick the bucket sometime somehow during the 4.0 expansion, maybe both even. The only one I haven't noticed anything about is Urianger, but who knows what kind of (deadly?) effect his dealings with Elidibus may have had on him in the future.
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Personality think she is one of the worst scions maybe next to yshtola , it's sad when gosetsu shows up and has more personality in 10 lines then all the scions put together maybe except thancred
I want to restate that complaining about Alisaie's character does not mean I want to get rid of her in any way. I'm mainly just trying to figure out why and how the story so far has shafted her this badly, and how it could be changed to make her a better character. Killing her off now would honestly just piss me off even more, because that pretty much means giving up on fixing the issues that her presence has caused.
As it stands, it feels like she brings very little to the table if she's not the awkwardly-shoehorned main star of a patch. A quick examination of her actions throughout 3.4: Shows up after taking an arrow to the shoulder or something, recovers after... a few days? Then completely overcompensates for her weak reintroduction by becoming a mechanic for a showdown between the WoLs and WoDs that's been anticipated since 3.0.
(Yeah, this is exactly what I wanted, an epic fight being reduced to "Touch this NPC so they can win the fight for you and completely defeat the purpose of being the WoL!")
At this point I just want to say, the writers can dress her up, give her all the minions, and make her as OP in fights as they want, but Alisaie's not going to be an important or compelling character until she starts actively affecting the plot the way every other Scion seems easily capable of doing. I will freely admit that Yda* greatly annoys me as well, but I'm not complaining about her because she still manages to be integral to the plot.
Perhaps the problem just lies with Alisaie's motivations. The main, overarching plot is one of people fighting and dying to save the world, and this drives their every action. Meanwhile, all Alisaie seems to care about is Louisoix, or forging her own path based on Louisoix's ideals, not her own - and it says a lot about the twins when Alphinaud clearly cares more about her than chasing Louisoix's memory, which, yeah, is one reason why I prefer him - and this just doesn't tie her into the main plot very well.
So compared to the rest of the cast's relatively selfless goals, the fact that Alisaie's goals and motivations are largely self-centered just makes her come off as really irritating. There's also the fact that her seeming eagerness to kill is a bit creepy to me. She just seems way more bloodthirsty than Alphinaud, for reasons I can't fully comprehend.
I disagree anything has to be changed about her, she is fulfilling a role of breathing in new air into the dialogue, not everything has to be so extremely polite and serious.
One of the best lines of Y'shtola was when she disregarded politeness to pretty much tell Merlwyb they and their territorial war are to blame for Titan and Levi summoning, but this is not something she will always do, having a character fulfilling this role works better for the story.
I think you should give this a read http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../#sidestory_07 her story moved away from her grandfather a long time ago.Perhaps the problem just lies with Alisaie's motivations. The main, overarching plot is one of people fighting and dying to save the world, and this drives their every action. Meanwhile, all Alisaie seems to care about is Louisoix, or forging her own path based on Louisoix's ideals, not her own - and it says a lot about the twins when Alphinaud clearly cares more about her than chasing Louisoix's memory, which, yeah, is one reason why I prefer him - and this just doesn't tie her into the main plot very well.
BTW it's perfectly okay to dislike a character, but that doesn't mean something has to be changed about that character.
Last edited by alimdia; 04-03-2017 at 12:53 AM.
Isn't this what people used to complain about Minfillia? That she was nothing but a fanservice girl in charge, with no *real* contribution to the plot?
I won't touch Minfillia however since it would be out of topic so moving back to Alisae.
From the very beginning of early story, we were shown that Alisae was a very emotional driven character. She was a straightforward, no nonsense girl with no patience for politics or negotiation. In her eyes, action IS immediate action, not talking around promises, not paying hollow lips services, and not paperwork jobs. This trait contrasts heavily with Alphinaud's back then, thus resulting in the twins' parted ways.
Her character later got a development with the Coil storyline. Her impulsive and emotional approach was questioned, forcing her to re-evaluate her ways of thinking. It was also here that her motive was brought to light, that her reason for coming to Eorzea was simply her attempt to reconnect with her grandsire, nothing altruistic at all. (P.S: Alphinaud's motivation was nothing but selfish at first, it took grand beating to change his mind)
By the end of the story, Alisae came to made peace with her inner conflicts, even managed to reconcile her strained relationship with her twin brother. She came to realize the errors of her way and considered the merit of Alphinaud's logical approach, and so she decided to make her own journey, to find her reason and her way to protect Eorzea.
When she came back and joined the Scions, we've been shown how far she's became. Despite her initial disdain for politics, she attended the Alliance meetings, even when her presence would give little to no meaning especially with Alphinaud around. She listened to what others said, held her usually sharp tongue, and talked only when needed. She could even deliver sharp and otherwise direct statement in relatively civil and like-politician manner without sounding rude or offensive.
Outside the meeting, she still openly expresses dislike of politics, but her eagerness to participate in something important, however she hates it, is a huge jump of her initial characterization.
Alisae however, is aware of her limits and other Scions' capability. She opted to stay behind and let Alphinaud go instead when the Alliance was amassing their forces, because Alphinaud has more experience in handling military affairs. She also didn't follow the contingent to wake Omega, with other Scions were just as preoccupied, and Alphinaud is more reliable than her in scientific research, someone had to stay and be prepared if there were any news from the Alliance, or other fronts (keep in mind that every Scion agents, including the less noticeable ones, were out seemingly on equally important missions).
She is no more the impulsive and emotional girl she was. She's become mature, and has accepted other approach to solve things, and that being passive doesn't mean being inactive. In my opinion, she's gotten just as much development as her brother, if not more. A good character is not the one who affects the plot the most. Characterization and development are the keys to make a good character.
I admit that the pace of story this time feels rushed, resulting in many of a character's development and traits forgettable and ignored. But blaming the poor plot and its delivery on the characters does no justice to the characters themselves.
Last edited by RobinMalvin; 04-03-2017 at 12:04 PM.
Well Gosetsu is the 'Happy Grandfather" character which is why he has such a high spirit personality. However, it seems Gosetsu is going to be only important during 4.0 and 4.X era storyline assuming he survives into 4.X storyline.
Beyond 4.X is unknown as certain characters remain only important at a certain area within the Main Storyline due to their character being move related to the area and objective trying to achieve.
I have been thinking that since 2.55 ended that incident felt like a foreshadow of what is to become of the Scions.
it feels as if the Scions will slowly disband over time with the WoL eventually becoming a True Adventurer at some point only reuniting with the Alliance during important calls to arms against possible threats. Hopefully by then the Ascian's stop being the distant antagonist of the storyline because it has become very dragged on with their plots and being the True Evil Antagonist of the game yet in the end we have seen nothing of actual conclusion to their storyline.
Having a long term antagonist is nice for a Storyline but when that long term antagonist get dragged on for so long as the Ascian and their God with them only acting by manipulating people to do their work for them with honey covered words it makes people forget that they are the real threat unless SE keeps shoving the Ascian's name and appearance once in a while to remind the player the Ascians are the Real Antagonist of the story.
The only time they seem to act directly is when they think they can kill the WoL and only the WoL. Everything else seems to be them just sitting back and watching how things happen while making a few calls telling the Antagonist of the story "hey remember our honey cover words to you."
Last edited by EdwinLi; 04-03-2017 at 03:15 PM.
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