As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Lambdafish]

The thing is I did say Ill try and cant but was made into 'refusal' So for one attitude is not always apparent. Even when you explain difficulty your having it isnt always accepted or understood. Other than that everyone only seems to want the 'pro dps' players so any excuse will do. Just cant fathom all this hostility. When you know people need to learn, and Ive never had arrogance where I think If I can do it everyone can. Im really not an arrogant person, I have endless patience with learners and when they say they cant do something I accept it, and even people that want to heal. Just would like the community as a whole to be more accepting of others.

You are talking about the toxic group again? The one that I said you weren't the right fit for? And they kicked you because that particular group was a pro raid group looking for an exceptional healer? We already went over why nobody in that situation is wrong, clearly you didn't listen.

As for your attitude problems, I am directly talking about what I have experienced here on the forums, not in game.

This is the right way to talk about not DPSing as a healer:

I took a break from the game and just recently came back. I wanted to give my own little point of view about this. Since I cam back, so many dungeons, raids, and trials have been added to the game and I became overwhelmed. With that said, I find myself trying to DPS but do it less for these reasons:

1) I don't know the fights, and/or mechanics: I don't feel comfortable stance dancing because I am always scared I will screw things up.
2) I don't trust the other healer: I never know if the other healer will heal correctly or not.
3) Relearning my classes: Since I just got back, I feel like I am relearning the game all over again.

These are the reasons why while I try to DPS but do it less. I am probably going to get bashed on for this but I am sure other healers feel this way or was/are in the same situation I am.

You will notice that we told them that they were doing the right thing and that attitude towards healer DPS is the most important thing moving forward, not skill. The hostility towards you in particular is still regarding your attitude in this thread:

Sadly you cut off the most important part of my post, to make it fit your needs and making me look arrogant.

The only one who is bringing up these "unreasonable" attitudes in this discussion is you, have you noticed?

And that is where your arguments get lost in translation, because you still live in your fantasy world where everyone in this thread is hostile towards players who can't/don't DPS and you refuse to budge on it, even going as far as to cutting out the important points of peoples (who are trying to sympathise and help you) posts

The point is that choosing not to DPS on the principle of being a healer is bad play, and while people don't care in easy content really, skilled groups want skilled healers with a proactive attitude.

A healer who chooses not to DPS on principle is around a 1 or 2 in attitude regardless of what their skill is, and its not that people won't take unskilled players, its that people don't tolerate bad attitudes (See AmeliaVerves great example on the previous page).

Honestly, I've had enough of this thread, I have gone pages and pages trying to sympathise and change your mind and improve your attitude, but I feel like it is futile. It doesn't matter what your skill level is, how you perform in your group, whether you DPS or not as a healer; what you have shown is that you have a poor attitude towards the community, you don't listen, you don't take feedback on board, and in your mind you can't be at fault. So please, because I won't say this again, listen to the community, and improve your attitude, because it could be you that becomes the toxic player.

Edit : Not as fast as Lambdafish unfortunately...

Your point is good, you put it better than I did because there was a bit of emotional release in mine, and I probably didn't cover all of the points I needed to, nor in the right tone.

[Feyona]

On top of this scholar has a load more skills to utilize than another healing class and may take longer to learn it than a dps 'improving' or another type of healer

[Lambdafish]

On top of this scholar has a load more skills to utilize than another healing class and may take longer to learn it than a dps 'improving' or another type of healer

Please stop... this isn't even a response to the core issue...

I play Scholar casually, not only is it the easiest to DPS with, it is also the easiest to play due to the fairy supporting you.

[Feyona]

Please stop... this isn't even a response to the core issue...

I play Scholar casually, not only is it the easiest to DPS with, it is also the easiest to play due to the fairy supporting you.

I totally disagree pro sch has to use much more spells than any other class. Even summoner doesnt use as many plus manage stance dancing, again I get 'its easy' I can do it so you can'

[Taika]

Again theres a tendency to think that only the professionals should be allowed in savage (reading between the lines).

Your reading is nowhere close to the lines.

I think its unreasonable to expect you to be pro when your learning and as said before how do you learn if your not pro how to be pro in content.

Then don't join groups that expect you to be pro, since they clearly aren't for you. The fact is, most Savage statics expect you have a basic understanding and familiarity with your job at level 60 in endgame instances. But there are some that don't expect anything, I'm sure. And if there aren't any at the moment, you can form one yourself.

People just are not as reasonable as you seem to think in instances. Plus I am not the only one that has spoken of being 'harassed' Did you notice?

I didn't actually notice anyone else describing being harassed, but might have missed that. I have not personally witnessed any unreasonable expectations or harassment on healers, but that of course doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I totally disagree pro sch has to use much more spells than any other class. Even summoner doesnt use as many plus manage stance dancing, again I get 'its easy' I can do it so you can'

I already replied to this to you in this or another thread, showing you that the number of different abilities a SCH uses in a fight is similar to other jobs in a Savage fight. But once again, you're rather accepting your own imagination than actual facts.

[Lambdafish]

I totally disagree pro sch has to use much more spells than any other class. Even summoner doesnt use as many plus manage stance dancing, again I get 'its easy' I can do it so you can'

Please stop... this isn't even a response to the core issue...

/10char (aka a waste of my post limit)

[bounddreamer]

/10char (aka a waste of my post limit)

You tried, Lambdafish. You really tried. I appreciate your patience. I've really admired the composure and depth of your responses. But ultimately what you're running up against is why this thread is 112 pages. And why the other thread about "letting healers play as they want" went where it did, too.

AmeliaVerves, no one in casual content is going to fault you for trying. And most won't even bat an eyelash if you spend an average duty finder run just healing, especially if they see a new player bonus.

As has been said over and over again and apparently bears repeating yet again, whether you can (or even should) dps as a healer is situational.

[Lambdafish]

You tried, Lambdafish. You really tried. I appreciate your patience. I've really admired the composure and depth of your responses. But ultimately what you're running up against is why this thread is 112 pages. And why the other thread about "letting healers play as they want" went where it did, too

Thanks, I tried my best, I should contribute to the "As a mentor, players suck and ignore any attempts at help" thread...

[Feyona]

Thanks, I tried my best, I should contribute to the "As a mentor, players suck and ignore any attempts at help" thread...

How has what you said helped anyone all I see is derogatory comments about me not being a n expert healer because I think its hard and people need to learn. So you automatically assume that I suck? How is that helping? When I already know how to dps and know the 'benefits' but I think to me the expection itself is a problem and please stop being personal you dont know me, or how I play Ifeel the need to add her being as you havent actually read what I said about the group that kicked me. It was not a pro group at all by anyone's standards and strangely they never got a clear on a10s after I left without help from some of the best players on zodiark and even then it took them a couple of weeks. So I wasnt pro enough for them huh? They just blamed me cos Im a sch and I healed. So please refer to posts so you know all the facts before you jump to conclusions

[Feyona]

Please stop... this isn't even a response to the core issue...

I play Scholar casually, not only is it the easiest to DPS with, it is also the easiest to play due to the fairy supporting you.

well I can say from experience that wmg and ast dps is much less 'involved and simpler, all wmg and ast have is 3 or 4 dots compared to sch thats just a start. Bio ll, miasma, bio, aero, shadow flare, bane, energy drain. Virus, eye for eye aetherflow blizzard, pet cds spam embrace. Adlo, emergency tactics deployment tactics, physic, indom, and thse used all the time practically and at right times. And this is what is expected of pro sch not a couple of dots like other healers.