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    Orudeon Blackmoore
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    Please change Cleric Stance cooldown to on-deactivate

    I've been playing with a lot of lag lately for... some reason. I frankly don't know if it's my ISP's fault, my router's fault, my wifi card's fault, but it's the worst it's been in years.

    It's a little weird from a design perspective that CS goes on cooldown when you deactivate it, locking you out of healing when you're a healer. Specifically your role is to heal. But this is particularly frustrating when playing with lag.

    The number of times I've accidentally killed my party specifically because I double-tapped CS trying to take it off, unsure if the command even went through due to latency, has risen from 'never' to 'at least four times a week.' Killing my party by putting it on by accident was maybe once every two weeks.

    Everyone makes mistakes, I'm not immune to that, nor am I ashamed to admit it. But at least with respect to CS it seems really counter-intuitive as a gameplay mechanic.

    The effect I suppose is fine, but for something that has such a major impact it's strange that it doesn't go on cooldown when deactivated.

    AST cards and spread go on cooldown when tossed, which makes perfect sense. Cleric stance going on cooldown when deactivated makes perfect sense. Right now it seems like artificial difficulty/complexity that is particularly punishing when have lag (which is often). Right now it's a barrier to doing what I want to do in the game, considering the safest option for me is to not use CS, but everyone insists I do or I'm garbage at my job.

    So right now I feel punished by this particular game mechanic when a pretty simple change would fix most of it. Lag notwithstanding.

    Slightly related, the fact that we can't right-click it off means if you get Amnesia with it on in Palace, your party is pretty heavily crippled.
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    Last edited by Orudeon; 03-22-2017 at 05:19 AM.

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    Wynne Yilmaz
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    You can edit your post to go past the 1000 character limit. That way you don't need multiple posts for what could fit in one.

    And on the topic of Amnesia in PotD, you can easily avoid that problem by turning off Cleric Stance before you move to the next floor.
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    Last edited by magnanimousCynic; 03-21-2017 at 02:03 PM.

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    Karis Angara
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    This is intentional - using Cleric Stance was meant to carry risk, and the cooldown on activation ensures that it's harder to get back into "healing mode". Yoshida has said he doesn't like Cleric Stance in its current state though, so who knows - maybe Stormblood will change it.
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    It's better to have Cleric Stance cool down on activation.

    It forces you to commit to your decision to go on the offense, and allows you to deactivate, instant heal, and reactivate it in one fluid sequence. If it were to cool down on deactivation instead, there would be a lot of wasted GCDs waiting for it to cool down, since nuking without it on is a waste of MP.
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    Umm don't use cs then. Complaining that it has a CD. Most skills do.
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    Hashmael Lightswain
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    Previous 3 posts: He's not complaining about the cooldown. He's actually requesting that it gets an additional cooldown on deactivation. Cooldown on activation isn't the problem, it's lag/latency and repeatedly clicking, not being sure if the game will actually remove it, only to have it be disabled and immediately activated again. Adding a small cooldown on deactivation would help reduce instances of accidentally reactivating when you need to switch back to healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    Previous 3 posts: He's not complaining about the cooldown. He's actually requesting that it gets an additional cooldown on deactivation.
    The thread title is "Please change Cleric Stance cooldown to on-deactivate"
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    Previous 3 posts: He's not complaining about the cooldown. He's actually requesting that it gets an additional cooldown on deactivation. Cooldown on activation isn't the problem, it's lag/latency and repeatedly clicking, not being sure if the game will actually remove it, only to have it be disabled and immediately activated again. Adding a small cooldown on deactivation would help reduce instances of accidentally reactivating when you need to switch back to healing.
    This idea isn't bad either. It helps in case players butterfinger the cleric's stance button and double tap it by accident
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    The thread title is "Please change Cleric Stance cooldown to on-deactivate"
    So, didn't bother actually reading any of the thread content. Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post
    So, didn't bother actually reading any of the thread content. Got it.
    The rest of the post agrees with the thread title. Quit deflecting.
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