Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Can someone link me to where he said Healers focus on healing? Thanks.

[Taika]

Can someone link me to where he said Healers focus on healing? Thanks.

In PAX East QA Yoshi said that healers need to remember they're still healers and their first priority is keeping their party members alive ("Don't get wrapped up in cleric stance so that all your party members end up dead" or something). It's from this video from around 28 mins: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/127955803.

Basically he said the same thing everyone else has been saying: keep your party members alive, then you can DPS.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

In PAX East QA Yoshi said that healers need to remember they're still healers and their first priority is keeping their party members alive ("Don't get wrapped up in cleric stance so that all your party members end up dead" or something). It's from this video from around 28 mins: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/127955803.

Basically he said the same thing everyone else has been saying: keep your party members alive, then you can DPS.

Hmm... I notice he also states "So you will still have to focus on healing, and take care of that, but if you still want to help your party members with the DPS, then you may help them".

The usage of "may" is similar to the one utilized in the Hall of the Novice.

[Taika]

Hmm... I notice he also states "So you will still have to focus on healing, and take care of that, but if you still want to help your party members with the DPS, then you may help them".

The usage of "may" is similar to the one utilized in the Hall of the Novice.

Well yes, he couldn't just go there and say "and after that you're absolutely forced to cast your damage spells", now could he?

In any case, what Yoshi P says is not relevant to the argument in any way. How the jobs should be played is defined by the game design: how the abilities and fights actually work.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Well yes, he couldn't just go there and say "and after that you're absolutely forced to cast your damage spells", now could he?

He doesn't say people "should" be DPSing ever is the main point.

In any case, what Yoshi P says is not relevant to the argument in any way. How the jobs should be played is defined by the game design: how the abilities and fights actually work.

It's honestly not even an argument. Healers heal, the DPS side of it is an optional optimal way they can help due to the potency of it. It will never be mandatory or "bad healing" to not DPS as healer. Maybe inferior healer DPS, but not inferior healing.

[Taika]

He doesn't say people "should" be DPSing ever is the main point.

Exactly, what I said was he can't tell the players they're supposed to play in a certain way.

It's honestly not even an argument. Healers heal, the DPS side of it is an optional optimal way they can help due to the potency of it. It will never be mandatory or "bad healing" to not DPS as healer. Maybe inferior healer DPS, but not inferior healing.

It's an inferior way to play a healer job if you wish to go into splitting hairs.

[Kitfox]

It's honestly not even an argument. Healers heal, the DPS side of it is an optional optimal way they can help due to the potency of it. It will never be mandatory or "bad healing" to not DPS as healer. Maybe inferior healer DPS, but not inferior healing.

Your argument is even worse:
"It's not bad tanking, just inferior CD usage!" - Tank that doesn't want to use CDs.
"It's not bad MNK DPS, just inferior positionals!" - MNK that doesn't want to use positionals.
"It's not bad DRG DPS, just inferior combos!" - DRG that doesn't want to use Blood of the Dragon.
"It's not bad SMN DPS, just inferior DoTs!" - SMN that doesn't want to use DoTs.
"It's not bad BLM DPS, just inferior use of fire magic!" - Ice mage.
"It's not bad support, just inferior TP/MP regeneration!" - BRD/MCH that doesn't use songs/turret.

But hey, it's all optional optimization, right?

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Your argument is even worse:"It's not bad tanking, just inferior CD usage!" - Tank that doesn't want to use CDs.
"It's not bad MNK DPS, just inferior positionals!" - MNK that doesn't want to use positionals.
"It's not bad DRG DPS, just inferior combos!" - DRG that doesn't want to use Blood of the Dragon.
"It's not bad SMN DPS, just inferior DoTs!" - SMN that doesn't want to use DoTs.
"It's not bad BLM DPS, just inferior use of fire magic!" - Ice mage.
"It's not bad support, just inferior TP/MP regeneration!" - BRD/MCH that doesn't use songs/turret.

But hey, it's all optional optimization, right?

Like most "Pro Healer DPS mandatory or else you're garbage" arguments, it leads to poor comparisons that fail to be a proper equivalent to actual Healer DPS. Guess what? There isn't a equivalent to it that currently exists in this game, hence the drama regarding this, so you cannot compare it with any of the things you've mentioned because those comparisons are directly doing the main purpose (emphasis on main) of the job whereas healer's main purpose is to heal and buff.

[Silverquick]

Your argument is even worse:
"It's not bad tanking, just inferior CD usage!" - Tank that doesn't want to use CDs.
"It's not bad MNK DPS, just inferior positionals!" - MNK that doesn't want to use positionals.
"It's not bad DRG DPS, just inferior combos!" - DRG that doesn't want to use Blood of the Dragon.
"It's not bad SMN DPS, just inferior DoTs!" - SMN that doesn't want to use DoTs.
"It's not bad BLM DPS, just inferior use of fire magic!" - Ice mage.
"It's not bad support, just inferior TP/MP regeneration!" - BRD/MCH that doesn't use songs/turret.

But hey, it's all optional optimization, right?

No your arguements is... more akin to...

Being in my party and telling me I was SUPPOSED to be using my Physick to heal the party with the healer... because like... I can and stuff... and its part of my job to heal everyone.

Because... like..... you're a DPS... but you know... since like Physik is a healing skill you're not really a DPS you're a healer too...

I'd be looking at you like you were an idiot.

Yes if the healer goes down and there's no one left TO do it... sure I will... but expecting me to heal everyone else because like... "its your job and stuff and properly utilizes your character because you're a healer too"... is living in your own little world.

Because that's literally what you're doing here.... to the healers

And saying if I don't heal it makes me a "bad summoner"....

[aleph_null]

He doesn't say people "should" be DPSing ever is the main point.

The way I see it is that if it benefits your group, why shouldn't you do it? It's like saying smn should use virus, blm should use apoc, mnk should use mantra, those are all not a part of their "job" (the way some people here insist dps isn't a healer's "job") since they're dps, but those separate the better players from the rest. I'd go as far as say that healers should also know when to use their dps utilities like balance/arrow and fey wind, and time them according to when the dps players do their burst rotations with cds up, but that's playing at a much higher level than simply healing and dpsing.

I don't like to draw hard lines on what is or isn't my "job", I just look at them based on how they benefit my group and whether they're feasible given the situation (no one should prioritize dps over keeping people alive).