Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Llus]

Neither of them are good examples, they are both easy content these pro healer dps stances are loaded with posts trying to say that healers got nothing to do but dps. What needs to be shown is a new group learning a10s or something

I wouldn't expect a new group learning a10s or any other savage content to be 100%... I wouldn't expect the tanks to know the fight well enough not to die to tankbusters. I wouldn't expect DPS to not die to mechanics and I wouldn't expect a healer to know when they can DPS and when they need to heal. If the entire content of your OP is to allow you room to learn a fight before optimizing for healing and DPS; then by all means do so.

However...

This topic is not new, but in light of the proposed changes, like two more dps classes which all the dps has to choose from, could we now leave healers alone to play as healers, and those who want to dps, dps? Thinking that many people would like to heal as a chosen playstyle. The feedback I have received before is that its not playing to 'optimal efficiency', but this is not a workplace it is where people come to enjoy themselves, not be coerced into doing a role that they didnt choose- dps as healer. Most dps did not choose to heal, and have a monopoly of different playstyles to choose from, on the other hand healers are being made to dps, to sort of make up for dps defiency, Then I see a question asking for harder content, just stop healer dps and the content will be harder to clear. Healers that want to dps go dps, leave others to heal or tank if thats what they enjoy.

From your OP, all you say is that you want to heal only and be left alone to do just that. Heal only, no DPS because that's what you enjoy. You don't qualify that with the type of content you find uncomfortable switching to cleric stance; nor do you bring up savage content/extreme primals/learning. You say that you're being coerced into doing a role that you didn't chose, yet in this game - that IS the healer role and especially for Scholars. Healers heal, shield, cleanse and DPS. Tanks take and hold aggro, mitigate damage, self-heal and DPS. DPS deal damage, support the party through buffs like mages ballad, foe requiem, mantra, apocatastasis, smoke screen, trick attack, battle litany etc. And if you're looking to clear savage content and extreme primals as a Scholar that doesn't DPS; there's almost NO group that will have you.

[AnimaAnimus]

Ppl get too hung up on labels. Just because your roll is named "healer" doesn't mean you can cast a heal here and there and stand there doing nothing for 5 minutes. Just like being a "Tank" shouldn't mean you shouldn't jump into dps stance now and then or DPS doesn't mean you shouldn't raise or buff the pt in some way.

In the end they are just labels and the function of a job should depend on its skill set

[ADVSS]

that last part of keeper of the lake is suicide to dps healers until they understand what to do, ive both failed it and pulled it off perfectcly. You never go to clerics if the pull is too heavy. First thing i noticed is "why are dps dead alread....oh shi everyone wiped" I appreciate the video but its happened to us all. Like a tank, if you dont know what to expect, you cant just dps swap the fight. and if dps are dead, thats a lkonger time before mobs are dead.

ALSO before you go blaming yourself on the video go watch it again guess what the tank didnt pop once? thats right a cooldown. It wasnt your fault to begin with.

[Llus]

that last part of keeper of the lake is suicide to dps healers until they understand what to do, ive both failed it and pulled it off perfectcly. You never go to clerics if the pull is too heavy. First thing i noticed is "why are dps dead alread....oh shi everyone wiped" I appreciate the video but its happened to us all. Like a tank, if you dont know what to expect, you cant just dps swap the fight. and if dps are dead, thats a lkonger time before mobs are dead.

The healer in that video was experienced with the fight though. The healer made a mistake by casting a second holy instead of topping off the tank; but the tank is really the one to blame here because he had no mitigation up the entire time; didn't self-heal and didn't get a holmgang off when he saw he was in trouble. The healer COULD have helped out with a regen before the pull; but that wasn't necessary - even a bloodbath would have kept the tank up long enough for the cure 2 to go off.

/edit - just saw your edit including the tank fail

You're right, the healer shouldn't be blaming themselves for that fail. The tank was ultimately the one missing key mechanics here (read: mitigate damage during large pulls)

[ADVSS]

The healer in that video was experienced with the fight though. The healer made a mistake by casting a second holy instead of topping off the tank; but the tank is really the one to blame here because he had no mitigation up the entire time; didn't self-heal and didn't get a holmgang off when he saw he was in trouble. The healer COULD have helped out with a regen before the pull; but that wasn't necessary - even a bloodbath would have kept the tank up long enough for the cure 2 to go off.

/edit - just saw your edit including the tank fail

You're right, the healer shouldn't be blaming themselves for that fail. The tank was ultimately the one missing key mechanics here (read: mitigate damage during large pulls)

The TANK didnt pop holmgang. or anything. This is a case where if a healer gets yelled at, it isnt their fault. Of course seeing the dps get rekt(most likely tanks fault again) doesnt change the fact that the dude flat out didnt even bother to pop a foresiht to stay alive longer. This isnt the healer so much as the tank not giving a crap.

And I'm not even a great tank, but id never run into double mobs without popping some kind of cooldown to help mitigate the pull.
Of course this can be used as an example that dps can sort of cause a wipe but it also shows that tanks not doing what they should will cause a wipe too...theres no doubt the argument was made, but the healer here shouldnt feel shame for the sheer fact that they werent the only one that miscalculated, there was a total group miscalculation going on, not just the healer. And thats how most wipes happen.

[Llus]

The TANK didnt pop holmgang. or anything. This is a case where if a healer gets yelled at, it isnt their fault. Of course seeing the dps get rekt(most likely tanks fault again) doesnt change the fact that the dude flat out didnt even bother to pop a foresiht to stay alive longer. This isnt the healer so much as the tank not giving a crap.

I agree. The healer played that as I would have expected any WHM. Personally, I would have had at least a bloodbath up and berserk with some overpowers for self healing while the WHM got some free DPS time before swapping back to get a cure 2 out or even a medica 2

[ADVSS]

I agree. The healer played that as I would have expected any WHM. Personally, I would have had at least a bloodbath up and berserk with some overpowers for self healing while the WHM got some free DPS time before swapping back to get a cure 2 out or even a medica 2

YES I totally agree with you, that may be my last resort for WAR tanking but thats totally what id have done as well! Honestly wipes happen sometimes groups mess up, this healer shouldnt take the blame, like i said the group miscalculated severely it wasnt one single person.

[Aniond]

With the mindset of people, "Getting kicked for playing the way they want". Its no surprise that the que for tank and healer is so long. Until people just let people play the way they want and not judge someone else then this will never change.

[Gemina]

And you still stance danced the entire time, contributed to DPS, kept the party up, cleansed debuffs and overall did a pretty good job even if you were holding back to be safe and didn't maximize your DPS and had a ton of over-healing because of DPS getting thwapped. You'd have gotten my com for that. So you made a mistake during the pull leading up to the boss and it caused a wipe, it happens and I don't recall seeing anyone gripe at you about it. If I were the tank there I wouldn't have cared, you tried and you messed up.

Thank you! I do try

Though I hope the video can encourage healers to stance dance, I wanted to show how unpredictable damage can be. I don't condone healers to just stand around, being reactive only, but I also do understand just how quickly things can go from green, to red, to dead and it's just a story mode dungeon and what many would refer to as "brain dead" or "faceroll" content. For me optimal play is appreciated, but not required. If everyone can do the basics, generally stay out of the bad, and exhibit patience, I am a happy camper. Though I do like it when the ish hits the fan, and I get to enter healzerk mode

[Clethoria]

Do western players do literally nothing but argue? And the same thing in circles no less.