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    Chris Suncrust
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    OMG! Finally A bard who wants to talk about this, providing solid explanation and reasoning. Thank you so much for your answer.
    Most bard will just say KEEP MINUET ON without explaining anything if I asked them about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cetonis View Post
    So for now we'll say you lose 225 x .3 = 67.5p on average on the back of River alone. On your five GCDs, assuming no SS proc (there usually will be one), you lose 222 more potency. Add in 9p x 1.3 = 12p on the DoT clip, and we're down 301.5p, just on baseline / underestimated stuff.
    I was just done with the calculation.
    The DPS gain from 4 AA is 77.01 x 4 = 308p, as Cetonis explained.
    *Assuming you have 1000 crit chane, the potency of SS proc under Minuet is 291p and off Minuet is 224p so i get 67p difference.
    *Clipping 3s DOTs, I calculate it with the potential to put one more Heavy shot under Minuet thus the calculation becomes Heavy shot - Iron Jaws on hit Potency : (150-100) x 1.3 = 65p
    *Let say you proc 1 Blood letter, Blood letter potency off Minuet is 150p and under Minuet is 195p, DPS loss of 45p
    Now here comes the tricky part. If you get SS proc, you would only do 4 Heavy Shot. So trying to calculate the worse DPS loss possible, I will use this assumption
    *4 Heavy Shot DPS loss 4x45p = 180p
    *Blunt Arrow and RpS DPS loss 30+24 = 54p
    So it adds up to 411p down instead, in the worst case scenario. Please confirm.

    But in the best case scenario, the DPS loss is at 270p

    Now, as I said at the very beginning, this guide is dedicated for bards to reach that extra mile. Was it worth it to weave like this or not? After doing the calculation mysef, most probably not. But this is just something that I came up with a few weeks ago and want to see some reaction from the bard community themselves. I also want to point out that bard can turn off their minuet!! Please dont be a black mage and eat AOE, you don't have Manaward LOL. It is also a good habit to practice weaving to push that extra damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetonis View Post
    (p.s. your suggestion of that macro undermines your credibility)
    I use the macro only to test this Minuet weaving. Under normal circumstances, All bard should know never to use this macro because of the possibility that you'll cast heavy arrow under your barrage. This is just to make it easier to get used to and less punishing when mistake do happens.
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    Axel Darkhero
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrissun View Post
    Now, as I said at the very beginning, this guide is dedicated for bards to reach that extra mile. Was it worth it to weave like this or not? After doing the calculation myself, most probably not. But this is just something that I came up with a few weeks ago and want to see some reaction from the bard community themselves.
    Your title suggests this is definitely a 100% fool proof way to master Bard! But now you reveal its just a theory you came up with which might not actually work in practice...

    You could say it's a guide for bards that want to reach an extra mile... but not necessarily in the right direction!

    Anyway, one problem with this idea is that Empyreal Arrow's cooldown gets shorter the more Skill Speed you have. You could go for a 'no skillspeed' build, but then I think you'd struggle to get your opener out; its typically recommended that you have at least 700 to do this optimally. This brings your Emp Arrow cooldown to ~14 seconds, and it would no longer line up with your Iron Jaws usage as you suggest.

    Also, its typically a DPS gain to refresh your dots early when you are popping cooldowns, and again just before they drop off; another reason you would struggle to keep EA and IJ usage in synch.
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    Last edited by AxelDH; 02-03-2017 at 07:34 PM.