What would it take for us to get a proper macro system?

[Feidam]

The biggest reason for me though was cleaning up buttons on the bars. My warrior had a macro that read what stance i was in(battle, berserk, defensive) and also read if I had a shield equipped. This single macro then was able to hit the appropriate tank or dps cooldown based on all of these factors.

This seems like a great example of what their macro system is trying to avoid. That macro you used may have cleaned up your hot bar but it also removed you actively thinking about it too. It automated play based on what gear you had equipped. You no longer had to think about what you were doing with those skills as the macro "thought" for you. You just pressed that one button and got the desired effect by the macro checking the current conditions.

We have a difference of opinion here as this type of play doesn't improve a players personal skill level. It removes some it since they do not have to think about what to do. It may boost a players performance though which is a different thing all together. I'm glad their macro system doesn't allow this type of play.

[dragonseth07]

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You are putting WAY too much stock in keeping buttons separate.

I use macros to change my spells on my bars when I go into Defiance and Deliverance, swapping the exclusive abilities. Does this make me worse somehow? Heck no.

[XiXiQ]

I don't use macros for battle, but would love to use them to reduce the button bloat - and have more time to watch the gameplay rather than a buttload of timers and CDs. Really just removing the timing problems and adding an if statement would go a long way.

[Bertolt]

Agreed. No matter what your opinion on the macro system is, it needs to be removed or overhauled.

[Sicno]

Not having a "proper macro system" limits this:

BERSERK USED!!! PLZ ESUNA IN 20s!!!!! <se.1><se.2><se.3>
BERSERK USED!!! PLZ ESUNA IN 19s!!!!! <se.1><se.2><se.3>
BERSERK USED!!! PLZ ESUNA IN 18s!!!!! <se.1><se.2><se.3>
BERSERK USED!!! PLZ ESUNA IN 17s!!!!! <se.1><se.2><se.3>
...

So, I think the current system is good enough.

Funny enough I've encountered a few BRDs on pugs that have ASKED me to use a berserk macro for them to throw a WP at me even when I'm not asking for it (I'm never expecting it on pugs). Funny enough I've thought of making a macro so that every time a BRD asks for it I don't have to type the full explanation of how the lack of skill queueing messes up with my timing.

[Feidam]

You are putting WAY too much stock in keeping buttons separate.

I use macros to change my spells on my bars when I go into Defiance and Deliverance, swapping the exclusive abilities. Does this make me worse somehow? Heck no.

Except the poster didn't just swap bars. He had a macro activate abilities based on which gear he had equipped. Totally different scenario than just swapping bars. My stock was put on the fact the macro activated the appropriate CD for the gear equipped.

If you swap bars and then you activate your abilities yourself I see nothing wrong with that.

[dragonseth07]

Except the poster didn't just swap bars. He had a macro activate abilities based on which gear he had equipped. Totally different scenario than just swapping bars. My stock was put on the fact the macro activated the appropriate CD for the gear equipped.

If you swap bars and then you activate your abilities yourself I see nothing wrong with that.

But there's no difference! There's no difference between me swapping bars with a macro when I turn on Deliverance or if I could code an if/then macro to use either ability based on stance. It's the same: I press X and the correct ability goes off.

[Niwashi]

But there's no difference! There's no difference between me swapping bars with a macro when I turn on Deliverance or if I could code an if/then macro to use either ability based on stance. It's the same: I press X and the correct ability goes off.

There's a difference in how involved you can make the logic. You can do it for one thing (possibly two if you want to get really involved) by swapping bars around. You can basically do it for everything by having what amounts to a programming language in the macro system.

[basketofseals]

Have people who are complaining about macros automating the game even done a primal? How often are you able to 100% do your optimal rotation throughout the entire fight?

Also I see zero reason for not having mouse over heals supported.

[Canadane]

Have people who are complaining about macros automating the game even done a primal? How often are you able to 100% do your optimal rotation throughout the entire fight?

Also I see zero reason for not having mouse over heals supported.

They don't want players pressing one button to play the fight out for them.

Mouseover is supported.