As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

You not liking it doesn't make it any less true. It's like someone would like to play BRD who only sings (FFXI style, for example), and would try to push for that play style in this game and claim it's a valid play style. It wouldn't be, and they wouldn't be accepted in parties either. Their songs are great, but only singing them and doing nothing else to support the group just isn't enough!

Try finding a job with a play style you actually enjoy in this game! If you can't, then unfortunately maybe the game just isn't for you.

like I said basically dps or gtfo isnt it? Thats your truth Im not sure SE had that in mind but still you all 'win' atm

[Accelerating]

like I said basically dps or gtfo isnt it?

Well there is still no reason not to DPS.

[Feyona]

I might be misunderstanding/misreading some posts but sometimes people seem to snap at someone for just wishing for the current heal meta to be different. lol (Dont mean anyone in particular but sometimes it seems to go "Meh I dont really like dpsing as a healer, I wanna heal as a healer!" - "OMG u must be a bad egoistic healer that never wants to help ur team ewww" - "...no I do try to dps whenever I can I just dont like it..." - "Y U NO UNDERSTAND! ur a bigger help if u dps too!" - "...but I do..." XD Sorry dont mean to offend anyone.

If the meta's not gonna change (assume it's not but what do I know), people need to either adjust to it if they havent already or look for another job/role they might enjoy more, like Taika already said.

Its right thats kind of it in a nutshell, except it wasnt merely not liking its difficult and stressful if you dont get a good healing partner and we dont always get one of those

[AmeliaVerves]

Yes see how that looks. General consesus, I am talking about, or general expectation. Not just of one group but potentially the community as a whole .

Uhm... I'm sorry, but your way of arguing doesn't make any sense.

You had one group kicking you, because you didn't dps, while all of them failed every mechanic? Then screw them, obviously they aren't worth even thinking about them.
Or were there more groups like this? Statics refusing you, because you wanted to stay out of CS for practicing the raid? How many? What were the people like? Really all of them? Or just some people and others thought differently?

I will bring up my own arguments from before, ever since it seems like you didn't even read them or at least didn't said anything to it nor did you answer my question from before.

Maybe you should try to find yourself a static instead of going with changing groups? If you find it hard/need more time to learn fights and feel comfortable with mechanics and stance dancing that is totally fine and I am 100% sure there are people out there, who will gladly have you in their group. ^^
But you also have to see that not all people are nice and patient and there are some d***heads out there, who will always tell others off to compensate their own lack of whatever. :/

[Cynfael]

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1. I've gone over why either decreasing healing output or increasing damage input without significantly changing the current system would not accomplish the intended goal. And that's assuming there is something wrong, which is arguable.

2. Again, DPS are not expected to heal primarily because no one needs them to. Even if they were any good at it, a DPS healing would never be desirable unless the healer were incapacitated.

It's no surprise that the healer, requiring many fewer GCDs to perform their primary function than the other two roles, would be expected to actually do something with that "free" time. A DPS, on the other hand, ideally has every single GCD consumed with attacking.

[Feyona]

You had one group kicking you, because you didn't dps, while all of them failed every mechanic? Then screw them, obviously they aren't worth even thinking about them.
Or were there more groups like this? Statics refusing you, because you wanted to stay out of CS for practicing the raid? How many? What were the people like? Really all of them? Or just some people and others thought differently?

I will bring up my own arguments from before, ever since it seems like you didn't even read them or at least didn't said anything to it nor did you answer my question from before.

This isnt meant to be rude,but this is a bit like writing a degree assigment, where every point has to be explained with references. Every, static that I know of expects, scholar to be the dps OH. In my experience, this is expected, the problem is with the expectations of the comunity in which some may have no understand of the difficuly or stress put on the person

[CookieMonsta]

This isnt meant to be rude,but this is a bit like writing a degree assigment, where every point has to be explained with references. Every, static that I know of expects, scholar to be the dps OH. In my experience, this is expected, the problem is with the expectations of the comunity in which some may have no understand of the difficuly or stress put on the person

I'll be blunt. Do you want to clear Savage or not? this isn't casual content, you do what is demanded to clear the fight or you don't. There is no middle ground where you clear stress free.

[Cynfael]

This isnt meant to be rude,but this is a bit like writing a degree assigment, where every point has to be explained with references. Every, static that I know of expects, scholar to be the dps OH. In my experience, this is expected, the problem is with the expectations of the comunity in which some may have no understand of the difficuly or stress put on the person

Putting aside for the moment that we're talking about the most difficult content in the game, difficulty and stress are subjective.

Playing DPS can be more stressful than playing healer in some fights, depending on the player. For example, healers are rarely held to the same standard of 100% efficiency of action since they are expected to adapt when people make mistakes.

When the party executes well, and when the healer knows the fight, healer can be the easiest role while they predict damage and carry on with their simple DPS rotation.

[AmeliaVerves]

This isnt meant to be rude,but this is a bit like writing a degree assigment, where every point has to be explained with references. Every, static that I know of expects, scholar to be the dps OH. In my experience, this is expected, the problem is with the expectations of the comunity in which some may have no understand of the difficuly or stress put on the person

I tried to underline my points. You are not actually arguing, you are just calling out things and want everyone to belive that those are set in stone, instead of giving actual examples or explaining in which context your experiences were made!
And therefor it sounds for me like: "One group kicked me out of Alex savage, because I didn't dps... this community is bullsh***!" (Exaggeration here, but ever since you don't give examples of things that actually happend, it seems you are just looking at one group and generalize from their behaviour to whole community, which is more than unfair! :<)

And again, you did not give any answer to any of my questions. I don't want to be rude or anything, but it seems as if you tried entering savage content once, got a bad group and decided you don't like the way fights/healers are designed and you don't like the community. :/
All I ask for is more information, so I can try to understand your point of view.

[Rivxkobe]

This is just it everything I say here is twisted. Plus every twisted reply I get is 'liked'

No one is twisting anything. We are or, in my case and a few other's cases, were trying to understand your points and trying to get you to understand our points. But everytime some one replies with what they believe you are saying or argues against a point you made, or it seems you have made, you tell them they are not reading your posts and are bullies or twisting what you are saying.

No one here is even sure where you stand on most things that's why they are asking you and correcting you on things. They are not attacking you, but once you get defensive and start making accusations some people are going to stop trying.

Do you even understand the stance of many of us on the pro DPS side? Who knows.