As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Dsync]

So now we're onto the accusations of bigotry. We've had 'bullying' and 'intolerance', but now it's time to call other users bigots. Way to cheapen the power those words should hold.

We've been told that if we want to WORK in a group that performs as well as they can, then we should go play a singleplayer game :/

Yesterday I was in WP Hard Mode. The Healer (Scholar) did no DPS at all, in 230-60 . At the first boss they spammed Adloquium spell, and then jumped around the boss area. This is the kind of person that people here take issue with (I think). Not your learner. However, I did not want to play to their level, so I left... shocking you can do that. Arguments here would dictate that I was being forced to play with them. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and saying "play my way, you have to!". You have a choice to be lazy, just don't expect others to waste their time on you.

Yes, I'm intolerant of those players, and I don't care. Since we're using buzzwords, apologists for this kind of lazy behaviour are the worst kind. They are actively encouraging people to be poor.

[Feyona]

Arguments here would dictate that I was being forced to play with them. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and saying .

Yes, I'm intolerant of those players, and I don't care. Since we're using buzzwords, apologists for this kind of lazy behaviour are the worst kind. They are actively encouraging people to be poor.

You ae entirely within your right to not play with peple you dont consider are worth your time . I never dessert the party no matter how badly they play because its a challenge and plus I dont want to be anti social on a very social oriented game. Bad players are people after all. This is just my take btw.If the mjority were like you though no one would be able to play because people like you would be sitting waiting for your penalty and the rest would still be in the instance waiting for a new member

[Cynfael]

You ae entirely within your right to not play with peple you dont consider are worth your time . I never dessert the party no matter how badly they play because its a challenge and plus I dont want to be anti social on a very social oriented game. Bad players are people after all. This is just my take btw.If the mjority were like you though no one would be able to play because people like you would be sitting waiting for your penalty and the rest would still be in the instance waiting for a new member

I get the spirit of these posts you make about being tolerant and granting others benefit of the doubt, but what I'm not getting is a sense that this idea ought to flow both ways.

In other words, why should the burden of "being social" rest solely with players who might have an issue with others playing badly? What about the obligation of each player to do right by their party? I'm all for cooperating in a multiplayer game, but there should be a reasonable expectation that everyone at least attempt to do their best, regardless of what is "best" given their skill level.

The healers we have identified as knowing-better-but-choosing-not-to-do-more deserve exactly the same consideration they afford their parties....

[Dsync]

You ae entirely within your right to not play with peple you dont consider are worth your time . I never dessert the party no matter how badly they play because its a challenge and plus I dont want to be anti social on a very social oriented game. Bad players are people after all. This is just my take btw.If the mjority were like you though no one would be able to play because people like you would be sitting waiting for your penalty and the rest would still be in the instance waiting for a new member

It's not about how badly someone plays, it's about how lazy they are. bad=/= lazy. It is VERY anti-social to play just for yourself because you "pay your sub" in a group game. I respond to that anti-social behaviour (that is committed first), yet I'm the one who is anti social first? lolno.

Intolerant
Bullying
Bigotry
Anti-social
Got anymore you want to imply people in this thread are?

[Feyona]

In other words, why should the burden of "being social" rest solely with players who might have an issue with others playing badly? What about the obligation of each player to do right by their party? I'm all for cooperating in a multiplayer game

The healers we have identified as knowing-better-but-choosing-not-to-do-more deserve exactly the same consideration they afford their parties....

What about the obligation to the party that you enter an instance with? Maybe theres a reason why SE made a penalty. People play on this game knowing that they will need to play with all types of abilities. I may be wrong but I think thats why you get rewards for roullettes etc. Duries that no one maybe would enter. You know full well when you enter WC that you will be thrown in with the good and the bad. Cos thats the game and we cant all be good players by all standards cos everone has different ones

[Dsync]

That obligation ends when someone can't be bothered and you can't kick them/don't want the hassle of arguing.
Bad player who is trying? Fine.
Lazy player expecting a carry and spamming their space bar? No.

[Feyona]

It's not about how badly someone plays, it's about how lazy they are. bad=/= lazy. It is VERY anti-social to play just for yourself because you "pay your sub" in a group game. I respond to that anti-social behaviour (that is committed first), yet I'm the one who is anti social first? lolno.

Intolerant
Bullying
Bigotry
Anti-social
Got anymore you want to imply people in this thread are?

Thats just the thing though I dont play just for myself I help any party as much as I can. It is a genuine believe though that I would be being anti social if I selfihly left my party to have to wait for another player just because they wernt playing as good as I thought they should

[Feyona]

That obligation ends when someone can't be bothered and you can't kick them/don't want the hassle of arguing.
Bad player who is trying? Fine.
Lazy player expecting a carry and spamming their space bar? No.

Yes you do get the odd lazy person that wants to ve carried and some actually go afk. I could blame a whole party for that though. I just dont get wound up about it. I dont think such players will be able to progress very far in the game tho

[Dsync]

again... it's not about not playing well enough, it's about being outright lazy. There are all sorts of people, and then there are people who can't be bothered to even try beyond pressing 3 or 4 buttons.
Bad players can learn
Bad AND Lazy don't care

Encouraging from an early point that healers have DD skills, and that there are times that they could use them, is better than them finding out later in the game that they're often(more often than not) expected to do some damage in dungeons/trials, since they are so easy to heal anyway. Otherwise the newer, less lazy but badly advised, are going to get a culture shock in the later content.

This has not changed in the years since release, so it's bad advice to tell people who WANT to try that they don't need to do damage. Those are the people who then might get stick, all because they weren't warned what to expect at the end. Had they been warned/encouraged earlier how the content is played with experience, they may well have started to try earlier.

[Rivxkobe]

I don't know what more can be said guys.

Sigh.

It'll never get through.