Do roegadyns ever celebrate a holiday?

[Remus]

Why is the cat even there? No need for it.

[Yeol]

Elezen is most used NPC race.
Miqo'te and Hyur (Midlander) are most played races by players (Lalas come in 3rd).
I am waiting for 2016 census to see Au Ra numbers compared to 2015.

As long as I can see Elezens around me I am happy (Even if they were NPCs).

[Kosmos992k]

Why is the cat even there? No need for it.

Another question is; Why can't we see the male Au'ra's face? Presuming of course that it is a male Au'Ra under that armor.

[Schan]

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Hmm I was actually thinking that when Hyurs appear in artwork, more often than not they are Midlanders. I considered for a second that with Stormblood we would see more Highlander artwork but... *looks at how HW's artwork has barely any Elezen on it* ... maybe i shouldn't get my hopes up.

Thank you for crunching the numbers for us. I am admitedly too lazy for it (would also have to spend hours googling for the artwork and collecting it all).

Your analysis does confirm my previous statement that they cater to the majority.

Now, lets say they have artwork for 10 events each year(random number). Is it too much to ask for them to cycle through the 6 races as the prominent one? I understand cat girls love looking at themselves 24/7, but what about the other races? As it has been brought out previously some people play a race but they do appreciate the aesthetics of other races, even if they don't see themselves playing them or they can't design a character from that other race that they like (i personally struggle awfully with making cute Lalas and Elezen and I have spent hours on benchmark. I can't make one that suits my tastes for the life of me, although I have seen that it is possible).

So if you take into consideration that the players have interest on the race they play + other races or in other words that one's taste for certain aesthetics is not stricly bound to the race they play wouldn't that even things out a bit? (Granted i'm not expecting Roes to ever be up there popularity wise).

You mentioned that you agreed that having a Roe as Santa would make sense and it would be acceptable since it is faithful to the theme and it makes sense. Now lets say we kept the artwork the same and just changed the person who is handing out the gifts. If you have done the repeatable quests you will learn that the Starlight event actually comes from Ishgard, where Elezen and Hyurs live. Why couldn't they have used that as an excuse to have an Elezen or Hyur as the main focus? Yes, you would have 3 Elezen in that artwork but for once I think that would be okay. I see cats ingame all the time. I see cats in the artwork all the time too. Couldn't they just spice things up a bit, for once?!

Heck, give me a Godbert in a tutu artwork for Little Lady's day. Please don't tell Julyan I said that.

ninja edit: i was going to use the argument of "it's just artwork" as well but then i would have to argue that it can be used against this whole topic and I can't be bothered to type even more >.<

[Kosmos992k]

Thank you for crunching the numbers for us.

Thank you for reading it. I wanted to try to get back to the heart of the discussion which wasn't for me ever about catgirls vs Roegadyn. I've always supported diversity, with the sole caveat that it fit the event. But in keeping with that, the skill of the writers should be able to create plots within the limits of Lore that allow almost anything. For example, a massively buff Roegadyn Warrior who secretly has a passion for collecting dolls could be a good storyline within the context of a Little Ladies Day event.

Your analysis does confirm my previous statement that they cater to the majority.

I was truly disappointed by how absent Roegadyn females are, I sort of expected all the other results, but I really didn't expect that, I thought they would be on par with the males, but absolutely they are not.

Now, lets say they have artwork for 10 events each year(random number). Is it too much to ask for them to cycle through the 6 races as the prominent one?

We have 4 main cities and only 6 playable races, it should be possible to at the very least have one event a year that falls to each race, and then take turns on the others. I mean, sure, there will always be slots for cat girls in the vending kiosks and the background - dancing in a bikini or something...

You mentioned that you agreed that having a Roe as Santa would make sense and it would be acceptable since it is faithful to the theme and it makes sense. Now lets say we kept the artwork the same and just changed the person who is handing out the gifts. If you have done the repeatable quests you will learn that the Starlight event actually comes from Ishgard, where Elezen and Hyurs live. Why couldn't they have used that as an excuse to have an Elezen or Hyur as the main focus?

Absolutely, I agree. What I don't want is forced inclusion, in other words as long as it makes sense, great, the more the merrier.

Heck, give me a Godbert in a tutu artwork for Little Lady's day. Please don't tell Julyan I said that.

see my comment about a doll collecting warrior above...

Diversity should never be about slotting alternate races into something to be able to fill a specific count or tick a box. Diversity should be about being inclusive. In this case, there is opportunity to explore the traditions of each race of Eorzea through the festivals commonly celebrated. I'd be much, much more interested in these events if they (SE) did that, rather than going down the route of filling a quota.

It's hard to convey in the dry words of a post in a forum, but, it should not matter what race or gender you are, everyone has their own story to tell and that is what matters. Celebrate those different stories by including them all.


p.s. ninja edits....ah, I do that too. I'll re-read something and see a missing word or a poor phrase and go back and change it, by which time someone has already replied, or worse still I'll reply to one or two other posters and add them to a post, but of course someone already replied to the original so it's all ninja edits...

[Schan]

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Well from I understand from your posts you are not against variety in artwork and I guess we all agree on this.

Now, I would appreciate if you didn't feel like we are pulling out our pitchforks and revolting against kitten people. Seriously we're not. I still want them in the artwork, but we also want SE to tone it down a bit and give the less played races some time on the spotlight (in this case Roes because they are rarely represented at all leaving us Roe players sad and bitter).

After all it's just artwork. You already got kitty Scion as the poster girl for the game that ended up being used in other SE games.

After - what.. 3 years? - of kitty people in the spotlight I think the people who don't appreciate kitty people are getting a bit fed up and it's starting to show. That's why I think this discussion is important.

[Ghastly]

Kosmos we know why they use miqo'te/au ra already, we don't need for it to be repeated on every page.
Only thing we are asking for is for FFXIV to represent everyone and not just the majority, there is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong if you only want miqo'te but you should stop telling us there is something wrong with us asking for other races to be represented. We need to mutually respect instead of trying to say no to the other side. We heard you already. You've appeared on every single page in this thread already.

You always say "I want other races if it's appropriate to the event"

This is false, what's appropriate is subjective. Any race can celebrate any event, that's a fact not a subjective opinion.

[Schan]

Am I the only one who feels that this jump potion debate is literally shutting down this discussion?
That timing >.>

[Clethoria]

Am I the only one who feels that this jump potion debate is literally shutting down this discussion?
That timing >.>

Eh. It'll die down when everyone gets tired of screaming in an echo chamber.

[Schan]

Eh. It'll die down when everyone gets tired of screaming in an echo chamber.

If the american elections taught me something was that people never get tired of shouting into an echo chamber u_u