Elite, Elitism, and Elitist

[Hinatea]

Please take this discussion seriously and refrain from any trolling (at least not in this thread).

I am curious, and also doing a bit of research, on what these three terms mean. I've went through several other post, on various websites, but I still wanted to make one here and see how people currently feel.

1. How would you define/describe/characterize an elite?

2. Elitism?

3. Elitist?

[Magic-Mal]

Elite: Someone who is a good player. Or good at a certain thing. Like a crafting elite!

Elitism: Using your skill to raise yourself above another as a way of talk down a person. Or to make you look better than them.

Elitist: Someone who is displaying elitism.

[Ultimatecalibur]

As relating to FFXIV.

1. Elite - Those who can successfully complete tasks that few other players can through genuine ability.
   
   
2. Elitism - Belief that the thoughts and opinions of players that have completed tasks few other players have successfully done should carry more weight with SE and the community than the thoughts and opinions of players who have not completed those tasks.
   
   
3. Elitist - A player who believes in the inherent superiority of the Elite for successful completion of difficult tasks few other players can complete.

[strawberrycake]

So a elite, elitism and elitist huh. Well this is how I see it

1. Elite - Usually those who play at a higher level than the majority of the players.


2. Elitism - A view that particular players who criticize any players who do a mechanic wrong in content regardless the difficulty and want it done the way " that is correct" or how they want it.


3. Elitist - Those who display the view of elitism

[dbabyrules]

My thoughts

1. Elite- A player who can play at a high level, but what makes them elite is their ability to effectively communicate with teammates.

2. Elitism- The perception that there is a "correct way". For example, certain party compositions or that there is only "one way" to complete a task

3. Elitist- A player who has the view of elitism and believes that they are an elite player.

[Dorander]

1. Elite - Someone who strives to be the best they can be.

2. Elitism - (1. Holding not only yourself, but others to a higher standard. (2. A pejorative term used by bad/lazy players to describe those who disagree with and prove ineffective poor/under-performing play styles with facts.

3. Elitist - A pejorative term used by bad/lazy players to describe a singular individual who uses research to disprove/dismantle poor play styles.

[Urthdigger]

Elite: Someone capable of doing the hardest content the game has to offer.
Elitism: The notion that only Elites should participate in any content the game has to offer.
Elitist: One who displays elitism.

That said, a little further clarification on Elitism. I don't think it's elitist to feel players should keep their gear appropriate (within 10 levels pre-50, within 4 levels and a bare minimum of ilvl115 post-50, and within two content patches for 50 or 60 content), or that they should have some basic knowledge of how the class works. What IS elitist is going off on a player for not maintaining a perfect rotation, not slotting materia into leveling gear, or messing up mechanics on a fight they're new to. There's a big difference between expecting people to show some level of competency, and executing everything perfectly in the best gear... especially on content where it really doesn't matter.

[Cenerae]

Elite: Someone that is in the top percentage of players for the activity in question.
Elitism: A bad attitude displayed by a few elites, but usually by (at best) average players who *think* they're elites. Often focused around bashing players for a percieved lack of skill at an activity.
Elitist: A buzzword usually used by bad and/or lazy players in a vain attempt to justify their lack of willingness to even try and improve, or as a means to try and talk down to players that are more skilled than they are.

Yeah, I think both sides are as bad as each other. You got your wannabe elitists trying to lord it over the masses and being arrogant snots, when usually they're not even that good. Then you got the 'well excuse me for having a life!' types who get bent out of shape over everything. I dislike both camps equally.

[Meillquei]

Elite: A player who is the best of the best at their content of choice
Elitism: When elite players feel they are the perfect
Elitist: When elite players feel they are perfect and feel the need to berate/insult players who are not on their level

[SpiritMuse]

Elite: someone who is very good at a certain skill

Elisitm: the belief that one's own (perceived superior) skill is the standard and everyone who does not measure up is either stupid or lazy

Elitist: a person who believes their (perceived) superior skill gives them the right to talk down to and insult those less skilled