Can I play drk like I play pally

[bswpayton]

...How

Just depends on the mobs, for example in Dzemael Darkhold the stupid little circle adds dont move at all really being in dark side and grit I have lost argo on them because my mp may be to low to use unleash , and unmend doesn't give me full argoo, Ive ran it a few times now getting ready for aurum vale now when I had plenty of mp and could unleash on them it was no problem I instantly got arggo, but when i was super low on it , and tried to unmend them I dont get full argo are any walking adds , like in stone vigil, unmend doesnt give u full arggo but unleash does , I dont want a single add to not have the red circle buy their name to me that is failing as a tank more so than not having darkside up the whole dungeon, nobody has stole argoo from me doing grit and unleash as an opener if they were to that would be a total game flaw , no where on the tool tip does it say to have darksie up 100 percent of the time , this is just a player made thin. Im using it literally like 85 percent of the time. And also a note is this is not something I plan to do on say extreme primals , or raids are anything of the sort I totally know how to function with darkside and grit up at the same time Ive just found in dungeons its much more convenient to avoid the mp drain. I know how to drop grip and use blood weapon and pop my cool downs also, Ive played all the tank jobs I like drk the best, I did the 8 man guild heist which is easy of course it was me and another drk he started off in darkside only and I started off in grit we both did our jobs effectively I turned darkside on for most of the guildheist, I just dont see a need to have it up 100 percent of the time when its windows you can get away with not having it up and maintain ur hate and then turn it on. Ive played blm, whm , scholar, summoner I dont even really touch the melee dps so Im use to mp management this just seems to give u more cushion than what you guys are referring to

[Amirya]

We're saying you're bad because you're being obtuse.

Grit reduces your damage by 20%. So running in to Unleash with only Grit is 80% aggro. Darkside increases your damage by 15%. So running in with Grit + Darkside is 95% aggro. (Overly simplified.)

You're claiming Darkside is why you die, why SCH sucks, why you don't know how to use Line of Sight on caster enemies.

If you're losing aggro in Grit + Darkside, the problem isn't the skill. It's the player.

[HyoMinPark]

I never said you were a bad player. I said that not having Darkside up 100% of the time is bad practice. I main DRK. It's my secondary main after BRD. My Darkside stays up 100% of the time. Very rarely do I ever toggle it on or off during an instance or between pulls. Most good DRKs I see in instances ALSO do not toggle it on or off between pulls. Sure, you can do that, but the out of battle regen tick for your MP far exceeds that of the drain tick of Darkside. So even turning it off to regen MP is unnecessary, since it will regen on its own. Plus, if you're being mindful of the trash pull/boss, a nicely timed Soul Survivor can easy get your MP back up.

I can honestly care less if you keep Darkside up between pulls. But you should ALWAYS have it on BEFORE you pull anything: trash, boss, whatever. The practice of pulling with only Grit, using Unleash, and THEN turning on Darkside is what I'm disagreeing with. You are gimping yourself by doing that in terms of, not only your damage, but your enmity gain as well. More damage = more enmity.

Not to mention the toggling of Darkside on costs MP. So if you're already struggling to manage your MP pool, you're not helping yourself with the needless toggling. Regardless if it's a small cost or not.

[bswpayton]

We're saying you're bad because you're being obtuse.
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Im not losing aggro necessarily im saying its harder to pick up extra adds when u have zero mp , and people are impatient and dont really want to wait in between pulls, so Im talkin about literally a matter of seconds difference, noone is gona steal argo from a drk in their tank stance using their argo hate ability , and thats simply why noone has said it to me , they just keep saying have it up all the time well that maybe how it works for others, but this is just a way to cut corners and be even more conservative with mp management, I lose less mp from unmend in grit stance, 4 unleash and then turning on blood price gettin my mp all the way back up turning on darkside than having dark side up from pull and doing two and having less mp, just like a drk doesnt have to get out of grit stance, these are all things just other players have done and it has been said to be a go to , I use darkside 85 percent of the time it doesnt have to be 100 percent, my original question was could I play drk only in grit stance and now I know that isnt the way to play them but I see nothing wrong with leading my pull in grit only and turning on darkside once hate is established.

[Nakanishi]

[HyoMinPark]

but I see nothing wrong with leading my pull in grit only and turning on darkside once hate is established.

You will not do as much damage in Grit only while using Unleash, which will result in less enmity gained.

Grit is a flat 20% reduction in damage dealt--like other tank stances.
Your damage dealt is now at 80% rather than 100%.
Darkside augments your damage by 15%, and is STACKABLE with Grit, a benefit the other tanks do not get.
Your damage dealt now sits at 95%.
More damage = more enmity.

Next time you run a dungeon, try pulling like this. Even if it's just one pack of trash:
Grit: ON. Darkside: ON.
Unmend > Blood Price > Unleash 3-4 times or during the full duration of Blood Price > Hard Slash > Syphon Strike > Souleater (rotate between mobs here if you wish, but you should have enough hate built up to not really have to).

All my pulls I do like this. I never lose Darkside, nor do I struggle or starve for MP.

You keep rejecting all the advice people are giving you, but have you actually tried it?

You can say it works for you, but I can also say it works for me not to play casters Foe's on BRD. Doesn't change that it's bad practice. None of the stances SAY to keep them up 100% of the time (Shield/Sword Oath, Defiance, Grit, Deliverance...); it's just common sense to do so.

[bswpayton]

def not trolling but ok , like I said no where in the tool tip does it say that its a 100 percent must to do it this way Im jsut simply stating what works for me

[bswpayton]

You will

while it maybe less attack power its still more attack power than a pali can get when it pulls the same mob, and unleash works way better than flash, and dps dont have Argo abilities , so its not really possible that a dps would steal hate from a tank in tank stance using a hate ability , Ive done both I have lead pulls just as u say and just found myself wishing I could use unleash a bit more than than that one or two times , so while I will continue to practice leading in with it on its much more convenient to just have more mp to deal with that having half of it when I dont have to , of course I can work with less , but like I said nobody steals hate from me doing what Ive been doing , but having no mp at all or like 100 mp in case something happens is just not something thats worth the small extra damage leading with darkside on to do unleash brings

[Crysten]

So basically the last 14 pages can be summed up as follows:

OP: How do I play DRK?
Community: Use Grit and Darkside at the same time, use Unleash a few times, then DPS away.
OP: But then I run out of MP.
Community: You have abilities for that.
OP: But then I won't keep hate.
Community: Don't sweat it, you don't need to spam it.
OP: But I want to spam it.
Community: But then you end up having the problems you're complaining about.
OP: But can't I just use Grit?
Community: NO.
OP: But then how do I get better at DRK?
Community: We just told you how.
OP: WHY WON'T ANYONE HELP ME?

The community then collectively has an aneurysm.

Did I miss anything?

[Jeibird]

And yet here you are, on the forums, under the guise of asking advice, and yet you admit that because the game itself doesnt slap you in the face for not using an ability thats enough reason for you to ignore what has to be more than 20 people with Dark Knight at level 60 telling you what to do, how to do it, why you need to do it, and other things you can be doing with it. If you're not going to engage with darkside and if you're not going to stop unleash spamming under the guise of "i cant build hate any other way", then why are you here if not to troll? Pre level 50 the only class that has any business being anywhere close to overtaking your hate meter is black mage and thats with just ONE unleash. Two unleashes is enough to secure hate for the entire pull and your basic 1,2,3 rotation should be enough to lock hate down from literally anything other than a black mage god from the other side of the void. So really, truly: Why. Are. You. Here?