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  1. #21
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    Chocolys's Avatar
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    Cait Zilla
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    I kind of agree with the feeling around here, the Cash Shop is not the answer-it-all of the game. I think it would be more interesting to make suggestions how to improve leveling DoH/DOL classes in-game if you think there is a problem with it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheImpeccableDan View Post
    I find it astonishing how many people believe this system would be pay2win.

    Eliminating the wait time between leve allowances is anything but pay2win. If anything, it's pay2play.
    It is actually, the faster you can level gathering/crafting efficiency, the faster you can WIN, be better at the marketboard competition.
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    Last edited by Chocolys; 11-10-2016 at 01:23 PM.

  2. #22
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    ErdrickLoto's Avatar
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    Lief Katano
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheImpeccableDan View Post
    I find it astonishing how many people believe this system would be pay2win.

    Eliminating the wait time between leve allowances is anything but pay2win. If anything, it's pay2play.
    Right. Eliminating wait time doesn't let you gain EXP faster, thus letting you get better materials/make cooler (and thus more sought-out) items for people quicker. Nope, not at all...
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  3. #23
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    Knot Destroyer
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheImpeccableDan View Post
    I find it astonishing how many people believe this system would be pay2win.

    Eliminating the wait time between leve allowances is anything but pay2win. If anything, it's pay2play.
    Oh funny, while others leveling with paying their time to 60, and then this guy in 1 second can become level 60. How it is not pay2win for you?
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  4. #24
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    Barawyda Hyllingilwyn
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eul View Post
    Oh funny, while others leveling with paying their time to 60, and then this guy in 1 second can become level 60. How it is not pay2win for you?
    Because the leves won't come pre-done? As in, you'll still have to play through all the leves in order to level up?
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    Fina Sela'dor
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheImpeccableDan View Post
    I find it astonishing how many people believe this system would be pay2win.

    Eliminating the wait time between leve allowances is anything but pay2win. If anything, it's pay2play.
    We already pay to play the game.

    The current system is completely fine.
    Levequests offer an alternative way to get EXP. It is not, by any means, the only way to get EXP.

    While waiting for levequests, go gather things. You will gain exp very fast, especially if you use company action to increase EXP.
    I did not even use company action to do it and it was very fast.

    Also, gathering your own things for EXP gives you many items. You can sell those items for gil or use them to craft and raise your crafting jobs.
    I completed my crafting log (except a few housing recipes) using 95% of items I gathered myself. I bought almost nothing on market board.

    I never did Beast Tribe Quests to level my gathering or crafting either. And it was still fast.

    Just takes effort. Everyone who has level 60 crafters and gathers did it. You can do it too.
    If you don't want to make effort, then...well...I don't know what to tell you.
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    The only "win" in FFXIV is enjoying yourself while playing it.

  6. #26
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    Zeonsilt's Avatar
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    Evan Lionheart
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Leveling is a part of the game.

    Levequests make it extremely easy, selling them for real money will only provide negative feedback from old players and "P2W" arguments will pop out here and there.

    p.s. Usually, i use them on 35+ level DoH/DoL, when i have time for it. After 50, you can do Collectibles, which is pretty much "a free levequest". Ixali and Moogles daily quest also help a lot.
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    Last edited by Zeonsilt; 11-10-2016 at 02:35 PM.

  7. #27
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    Diantha Sunstone
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheImpeccableDan View Post
    Because the leves won't come pre-done? As in, you'll still have to play through all the leves in order to level up?
    Becuase then it's using the same kind of energy systems many games with microtransactions use.

    We all have to wait out leves. You're asking for those with extra dollars to bypass the time wait for an advantage. More leves=more exp and faster leveling.

    That's pay to win. Plain and simple. It's also the exact thing every sub paying player, pro-cash shop or not, adamantly do not want in the Mogstation.

    Get over it and go do the Ixal or Moogle quests like the rest of us do.
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  8. #28
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    RosaLunaCelestia's Avatar
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    Luna Luorc'a
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    Moogle
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    Stop cash shop thread request ;( too much in less of 1 month to me ;(

    Personnaly, just do ixali quest + gc provision + moogle quest daily to lv up faster on ur craft class
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  9. #29
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    SE please add /throwmoney emote to the cash shop!
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  10. #30
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    Kiriah Aishi
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    Adamantoise
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    Warrior Lv 100
    As someone that's entirely supportive of cash shop and exclusives...

    No. Just no.

    If you're having that difficult of a time leveling your crafts, you're doing it wrong. Ixali dailys pre-50, moogle dailies post-50. GC turn-ins are another great source. You'll be in shock at how much exp you can get from turning in a HQ item on a wanted day. And regardless of which of those paths you take, you can find great items to buy and make it rain.

    While there isn't too much alternatives for DoL aside from just going out to grind it, you can make a good bit of gil from that too.

    I actually got my level 50 HQ DoH and DoL equipment in 2.x by making deals with other crafters for goods gathered by DoL.

    So please, don't encourage pay to win, cash shop should only be beneficial in purely cosmetic items that can be rubbed in anti-cash shop people's faces.
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