[Win Trades]So I'm the only one never saw this?

[Februs]

In fact, I'm almost positive that someone posted an image of it once here in the forums to try and get SE's attention so they could put a stop to it. I don't remember if we got a response or not, because it was a long time ago.

EDIT: This isn't the one that I was thinking of, but it's a decent example for you none the less. In a thread on Eso farming in Feast, you could find this posting:

Sigh..https://youtu.be/EnbvUIHExrc

The vid is still active, so it should give you an idea of just how bad it was back then. SE actually did respond to it with this:

Greetings,

We are aware that there are users engaging in this kind of behavior and we will be taking action against those found to be taking part in it. If you encounter this type of activity, we ask that you please report it via the in-game Support Desk (System > Support Desk > Report Harassment). Please include as much information as possible in your report.

While we cannot release individual results regarding the investigations we conduct, you can rest assured that we take this seriously and will be carefully looking into each report we receive.

That's right. SE actually asked us to engage in witch-hunting. To my knowledge, quite a few bans were passed out as a result, but it didn't really curb the problem. Eso farming only died out when queues died late in the season, and win-traders just started to be more subtle about how they organized their matches.

[Februs]

What I mean by "seen" is you are asked to do that, or your friends are asked to do so

I'm not mean you lose a game and doubt someone didn't try their best
Because that sounds like conspiracy theory

Apparently, my first response to this vanished ... but here it is again.

Win trading isn't a conspiracy theory. Suspicious trends show up in the leaderboards when it happens. Firstly, you end up with players who have abnormally high win rates -- much higher than the average for their tier. They also keep their win rates fairly stable, which is statistically improbable in a game mode like this. Most players also have to grind for their ranks. They go up and down. Win-traders are an exception, as they tend to "boost" their way up. This is usually fairly easy to pick out, as well, because it tends to happen at times when queues are slow. Dead queue lines make it easier for them to organize matches. If Feast queues are slow for a week, but someone is still suspiciously jumping up in ranks, then it's a safe bet that it's not legit progress.

That said, you are correct that there is no way to be 100% certain of someone win-trading just based on outside observation. Breaking the community trends is statistically improbable, but not impossible. They could just be lucky, so asking for first hand evidence is completely fair. Unfortunately, the answer to your question is still a resounding yes.

In the first season of Feast, it wasn't uncommon to see postings in the Party Finder which went along the lines of: "Looking for x players to boost in Feast," or: "Eso farming in Feast! Join for fast cap!" Between the two, the later was far more popular than the former, but both happened. I saw quite a few postings looking for boosters in the early days. In fact, I'm almost positive that someone posted an image of it once here in the forums to try and get SE's attention so they could put a stop to it. I don't remember if we got a response or not, because it was a long time ago.

Regardless, there's no doubt that it happens in both party queue and solo queue. It's just not easy to catch, so SE is limited in how they can respond to it.

[Avalon1101]

Let's try this:

- There are obvious patterns which help identify win traders
- The best players in the community all know each other. If there a "no-names" on the top of the leaderboards, they are win traders or cheaters(in some rare cases they just get insanely lucky with matchmaking)
- These players are often banned, which is testament that they are(were) win traders

I thought the top players we talking about were the final ones
Ppl who get on the board for few days and banned/dropped... that's not the point

And again I'm asking for real things not doubt
So if what you say have possibility exist, did you find one in S2?

[Avalon1101]

Breaking the community trends is statistically improbable, but not impossible.

I would take this classical conspiracy theory example to against your"win trade is not conspiracy theory" lol

And for S1, I wasn't there so I'll not say anything(but accrocding to the video link... well that's...)
About high victory rating ppl... I'll say I do believe they do that by themselves after having fights with them(don't say all matches I played with them have win trades lol

So what you mentioned about high victory rate ppl is merely doubt caz that"hard to find out"
That arguement is not strong

[Avalon1101]

You sure make the PvP community look so inviting and friendly... σwσ

Sry for didn't saw your reply before

Plz go and see how PvE players talking about pvp players and feast because of a upcoming mount
If you consider those as inviting and friendly

Btw someone was saying I was lying all around about I did play feast
Because I'm using a lv56 smn for forum
...I have to tell him we can have many characters in this game
How friendly I am that didn't say anything worse(smile

[Februs]

I would take this classical conspiracy theory example to against your"win trade is not conspiracy theory" lol

I don't think you're quite following what I mean by "high win rate."

It's not just about having a high win rate. It's about boosting with a stable %. The average win rate for even the best players in Feast is around 50-60% It's statistically improbable for someone with that % to suddenly jump up in the rankings during a dead week by sheer skill. It doesn't matter how good the person is. A 50-60% win rate ensures that they lose almost as much as they win, so going up in leaps and bounds while the queue line is inactive should not be happening unless you're organizing the matches yourself. You can ask any of the top 100 about how hard it is to climb out of silver, gold and platinum rank and they'll all give you the same answer, no matter how talented of a player they are. The difference between how they grind out their ranks and how a win-trader does things is fairly obvious.

Regardless, you asked for first hand evidence of win-trading within Feast, and I showed it to you. That video speaks volumes all on it's own, and that's only one example of many. At the time it was made, this issue was at it's worst. Since then, illicit activities have become a lot subtler, but it still happens. I've seen thrown matches in both Season 1 and 2. The most obvious ones I've seen are people who admit in the chat that they're just farming tomes or that they're talking in discord to a person on the opposite team, but I've also seen people make some very convenient "mistakes" at the last minute of a match (such as running headlong into the enemy spawn to feed a kill at the very end). Win-trading or match-fixing can take on a lot of different forms, and it's not easy to catch. Personally, I prefer to give most people I see the benefit of the doubt. It's easier to assume they're just stupid, rather than malicious, but there really isn't any denying that win-trading can and does happen. If you truly haven't seen it yourself, then you're a very lucky person and should be thankful, but passing it off as a "conspiracy theory" is drawing the line when some of us have see it first hand in it's most blatantly obvious forms.

[Gravton]

This feels like a troll thread. Win trading isn't a conspiracy theory everyone knows it happens from pvp to verminion to triple triad. It's not even hard to do. If your on an NA server you que your duty finder to French or German and get matched to your friends almost 100% of the time. People would also do this to get commendations for the mount. This is well known among the veteran players and the fact that you want to argue every point that tells you this makes this feel like a troll thread.

[Avalon1101]

The most obvious ones I've seen are people who admit in the chat that they're just farming tomes or that they're talking in discord to a person on the opposite team

This is what I'm asking for *click like*

Got your mean by stable victory rate, that could happen and might happened but still need some directly evidence like what I quote

[Avalon1101]

If your on an NA server you que your duty finder to French or German and get matched to your friends almost 100% of the time. People would also do this to get commendations for the mount. This is well known among the veteran players.

Same, I'm not asking for so called well known "fact"
I'm asking for real things like what I quote Februs in #18

[Gravton]

Real things? Like what? A win trader coming on here and posting "Yeah I'm a win trader, here is a link to a video of me doing it, and here is a link to my rankings." Why would someone open themselves up to getting banned? You can't post calling someone out either because that too results in a ban from the forums. If people do have actual proof then I would suggest they open a ticket.