So I heard you wanted a Hellhound Mount....well..

[RaideDuku]

Oh no. I don't PvP! I can't get the super special mount and feel super special! I guess I'll have to console myself with the 30 other mounts I never ride anymore.

*This from someone that doesn't PvP and is a fervent collector of trivial things like mounts and minions.*

[UnstablePersonality]

It is probably top 100. The main reward always seems to be the top 100 one, such as the armor in the current seasons. Top 10 will probably just have another crown or a slightly different Hound.

Semi curious how hard it is to get to top 100...

[AureliusDraconium]

I like how people think PVP in this game requires a lot of skill when there's these factors:

- Win trading
- Serious balance issues even after nerfs
- People with less than 50% Win rate are in Leaderbords, even in top 10, which proves that people can simply grind until they are in the Lederboards which nullifies the argument of "Skill".
- There's a miserable amount of people playing Feast, must be though competition, cough.

If the Leaderboards were based on MMR/Win Rate you wouldn't have that head of yours, simple as that.".

As a pvp player of other mmos, I can say the fact that "ranked" pvp not allowing pre-mades says a lot. You have to play with randoms which makes it not really "ranked" in the sense but boils down to who signs up to do more matches to get a higher percentage per season. I don't agree with it. In WoW, you cannot sign up for ranked pvp without a party beforehand. the fact win trading still managed to exist says a lot. I have signed up for The Feast to try it and have gotten the same people in my party 3 times in a row, then a new person and then just to have the same people back in my group a match later.

[RyuSaarva]

Oh no. I don't PvP! I can't get the super special mount and feel super special! I guess I'll have to console myself with the 30 other mounts I never ride anymore.

*This from someone that doesn't PvP and is a fervent collector of trivial things like mounts and minions.*

why don't you use those 30 other mounts? I use all of my mounts, that makes no sense to me.

[Nirokun]

PVE: synchronized swimming

PVP: UFC

Both require skill, trying to prove which one requires more is something that cannot be quantifiable as they are completely different game modes.


In one setting lets take PVE: you have complete control over who is in your pty, hey lets make a static and perfect it till we find 8 people with fast internet, find a meta with certain cookie cutter niche class jobs for said raid, all usually have voice chat, that can memorize a scripted fight pattern as we "team-jump-rope" to victory.

PVP: Solo que feast, you cannot choose your teammates, probably not on voice chat with them, some have terrible internet connections. You have to think quickly on the fly, different pty setups will dictate different strats, tactics on what you are up against, and if any of those roles are certain powerhouse players on the opposite team must taken into consideration. You have to put up with a lot of BS,abrasive people and tempers. It's not for everyone.

This is the best description of FFXIV PVP skill I've seen, I hope everyone else who doesn't PVP reads this carefully. I would go further to say that the strategy must be created in a short period of time, understood, and be open to change (because it will change).

Keeping a clear head (not getting tunnel-vision and playing how you WANT that match to go, instead of how it is actually unfolding) and making those snap decisions is difficult, because there is no script. You have a set of actions and expected reactions, and are always making educated guesses on how to best approach the match. The only relatable PVE concept is "execution", though PVE rotations are generally longer and PVP rotations are GENERALLY (thought definitely not always) more focused on burst damage. The rest is overcoming your opponent through strategy and staying sharp (it's very easy to "tunnel" and lose sight of the match).

Also, with regard to adjustments made in response to "powerhouse players", this is certainly true. They are dangerous because they tend to have excellent decision-making and execution of a plan, as well as "awareness" and communication. Counter-play against these exceptional players (and every player, really) is knowing who you're up against. ASTs have certain weaknesses compared to other WHM/SCH, between Diurnal/Noct, and between individual players. Each player, if you play enough PVP, will have a general style. If you're familiar with that style, you can strategize a counter, if not you're out of luck. Knowing if a healer cannot heal burst, or spread damage, or harassment, or manage their MP--this is all useful information when deciding your next action. Knowing if a tank will actually attempt to kill you and not just harass you is important to you and which cooldowns you're willing to spend (Purify). Knowing the DPS and how they prioritize their targets helps determine who needs a heal or cover.

None of this is in a script, you have to gather it quickly and plan/execute your strategy, being ready to make adjustments as necessary. Surely you can't win them all, but you can learn about the people you play with, and against, for your next match. Did my healer suck terribly? If he's on the enemy team, tell your teammates he sucks and kill him. Or his teammates, ideally both. PVP is fun.

(rambleramble)

[Koltik]

As a pvp player of other mmos, I can say the fact that "ranked" pvp not allowing pre-mades says a lot.

Except you can play as a pre-made. It's called 4v4 light party, and has a ranking of its own.

The more you know.

[RobbieH]

Anyway you say you don't care about rewards but the very fact you are lashing out so badly proves that it you actually do care.

You have serious issues, you seriously do. How did you came to that brilliant conclusion?

It just INFURIATES you that people with more talent are getting something exclusive. It actually just makes these rewards all the more sweeter.

People with more talent, here we go with the epeen, pretty much PVP Community in a nutshell.

Let me just ask you one last thing since you said imbalance doesn't matter.

- Two Teams
- Equally Skilled Players
- One Team players are Rank 1 and the others are Max rank
- (Not even mentioning class balance issues)

How isn't the max rank team at advantage? This is what you find in Feast, people that are not even maxed in their ranks, so you're at an advantage already. So much for skill when there's NO balance.

I also REALLY enjoy your last comment about getting good in other games like CSGO. You are trying so hard to diminish achievement in this game because you aren't as good. It's really sad.

Gonna say again, i don't play Feast anymore, rewards are bad and not appealing, what makes you think i should start doing it?

I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone, it wasn't even me who started the PVE vs PVP skill level thing, i like how PVP Players get salty over the fact this game has little competition and therefor skill requirement is way less than any esports game due to that same reason.

Oh no. I don't PvP! I can't get the super special mount and feel super special! I guess I'll have to console myself with the 30 other mounts I never ride anymore.

*This from someone that doesn't PvP and is a fervent collector of trivial things like mounts and minions.*

I've seen PVP players complaining about PVE rewards in this same thread, and the mount is awful, what's so special about it?

As a pvp player of other mmos, I can say the fact that "ranked" pvp not allowing pre-mades says a lot. You have to play with randoms which makes it not really "ranked" in the sense but boils down to who signs up to do more matches to get a higher percentage per season. I don't agree with it. In WoW, you cannot sign up for ranked pvp without a party beforehand. the fact win trading still managed to exist says a lot. I have signed up for The Feast to try it and have gotten the same people in my party 3 times in a row, then a new person and then just to have the same people back in my group a match later.

Solo Ranked is always like that, no premades, hence the "Solo",and there is premade, 4v4, can't speak for WoW, didn't play it, you get matched with the same people in the Feast of equal skill level and because it has a little amount of players, if there were a lot you would be matched with different people way more often.

[Aivi_lo]

Oh no. I don't PvP! I can't get the super special mount and feel super special! I guess I'll have to console myself with the 30 other mounts I never ride anymore.

*This from someone that doesn't PvP and is a fervent collector of trivial things like mounts and minions.*

You just described me.

[Zojha]

Except you can play as a pre-made. It's called 4v4 light party, and has a ranking of its own.

The more you know.

It's also so dead that you can get a place in the TOP 30 players by having a mere 300 rating with about 30 games total.

I can see why one might think it doesn't actually exist.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

Well this sucks.