Lol starting to bill us in November for this game..

[Vaer]

Inc fanboi sigs of "I paid for this game before 2.0 I'm better than you". You know who you are!

Back in my day, Quicksand was spelled with no d at the end, we had to deal with the bad UI, bad targeting, deal with getting shanked by antlings, spend hours walking up large hills on our bare feet to get to a camp and stand there afk while getting power leveled to.. oh wait.

[Joito]

I "ll pay now for this game, cause Im having fun. Bill me ! Ill support It. And I cant wait to see 2.0 vers.

[Vivik]

Back in my day, Quicksand was spelled with no d at the end, we had to deal with the bad UI, bad targeting, deal with getting shanked by antlings, spend hours walking up large hills on our bare feet to get to a camp and stand there afk while getting power leveled to.. oh wait.

"I played back in the day before 2.0"
"Glad 1-50 in a day!!! KITTYFACE :3"

[Melian]

I don't get the deal either. Pop will drop some, but they'll get money to pay the dev team. Fun Fact: the population will drop much more if they run out of money to pay the dev team.

10 dollars a month (or 12?) isn't that much either.... give up three cups of coffee a month and you've got it paid for. FFXIV, in it's current state, is easily worth three cups of store-bought coffee / month to me. And if it's been worth enough to you that you've bothered playing it/getting to 50/doing the (slim, till now) content available, I'm surprised you don't see it as worth that sum.

Only argument really out there I can see is an absolute "it's never worth paying for an unfinished product, simply on principle" argument. And that's great. I can't disprove that in anyway, only disagree with it. But I can say that arguments and life-choices based 100% on principle and 0% on compromise often end up getting you in places you might rather not be.

[EmeraldHill]

Look at the road-map. They start charging next month, none of this stuff is even planned to release until April-July!

[AmyRae]

10 dollars a month (or 12?) isn't that much either.... give up three cups of coffee a month and you've got it paid for. FFXIV, in it's current state, is easily worth three cups of store-bought coffee / month to me. And if it's been worth enough to you that you've bothered playing it/getting to 50/doing the (slim, till now) content available, I'm surprised you don't see it as worth that sum.

I think some people have become used to the idea that for the price of 3 cups of coffee they could play FFXIV... and have 3 cups of coffee.

[Blarp]

SE has some pretty big stones. I'll give them that much. Quite honestly, I never thought they would charge for this game. It's already in the minds eye that this game is buy to play. It's been like that for over a year, and I'd say the only reason it has the population it does is because it's free. When the game finally starts seeing new players and having some positivity surrounding it, they're going to charge a monthly sub fee? 15 bucks is nothing, but I'm not going to pay for a half-finished game (Yoshi's words.)

I mean really, when you're still developing fundamental systems like the XP system, battle system, LS management, LFG tool, crafting, server structure, game engine, world design etc. then you have absolutely no business charging someone for that product. By this point, I expect an MMO to be focused on adding more content and more mechanics. Not working on the fundamentals.

[YuriSan]

I'm here to stay.
I'd pay more than 12$...

[darkstarpoet1]

I don't get the deal either. Pop will drop some, but they'll get money to pay the dev team. Fun Fact: the population will drop much more if they run out of money to pay the dev team.

10 dollars a month (or 12?) isn't that much either.... give up three cups of coffee a month and you've got it paid for. FFXIV, in it's current state, is easily worth three cups of store-bought coffee / month to me. And if it's been worth enough to you that you've bothered playing it/getting to 50/doing the (slim, till now) content available, I'm surprised you don't see it as worth that sum.

Only argument really out there I can see is an absolute "it's never worth paying for an unfinished product, simply on principle" argument. And that's great. I can't disprove that in anyway, only disagree with it. But I can say that arguments and life-choices based 100% on principle and 0% on compromise often end up getting you in places you might rather not be.

i do agree with you to an extent. let me say if you look at my profile i am very active and play quite a bit. i am part of some fantastic linkshells and enjoy their company.

my thing is not an absolute i would not pay for an unfinished product because i bought the crysta to pay for the game when it first came out with as bad as it was then. my issue was they stated that they were not going to charge because it was not up to their standards and recently have stated how bad of shape it is still in.

in other words i would have willingly paid for the game on release because that was what was expected, but once they said they were not going to charge until they got the game fixed i did expect the fixes for server, battle, and the other things to be taken care of before they asked for my money.

don't tell me we are going to fix the game and not charge you until then and then turn around and say we know the game is broken, but we are going to charge you now to fix it. those 2 statements directly conflict with each other.

[Betelgeuzah]

Then why does it coincide with the announcement of FFXIV-2.0?

Actually, there's still 2 months to go until then. It coincides with the release of 1.20.

Your problem is that they told us about these changes that were coming regardless *before* starting to take sub fees. Timing is your only issue here.