NEEDED Disciple of Magic DPS Jobs

[Galactimus]

Summoner
Black Mage
Bow Mage
Gun Mage

I count four Disciples of Magic

[Xiao_]

Gun Mage

i understand what you're getting at but this breaks my heart because i wish we had actual gunmage

[FoxyAreku]

Summoner
Black Mage
Bow Mage
Gun Mage

I count four Disciples of Magic

This joke is really old.

They are aiming their shots, not casting. Cast bars is just the easiest way to show such a thing in an MMO.

[Zojha]

They are aiming their shots, not casting.

Then, uh...what is that swirly bit around them? And why are machinists aiming by pointing their gun at the sky? Or, what are they aiming at?!

[Kaurie]

Summoner
Black Mage
Bow Mage
Gun Mage

I count four Disciples of Magic

Believe it or not, the thing people like about being a Mage is not being stationary and having cast bars.

[Claire_Pendragon]

it breaks down to
2 tanks out of 3
2 melee out of 3
1 support range out of 2
1 caster out of 2
2 healers out of 3
if you want balance, you want to change all the 3s to 4s.

I thought about it like this as well, except when it comes to the melee, it's a bit harder to do this, but I'd like to see what you had in mind.

Believe it or not, the thing people like about being a Mage is not being stationary and having cast bars.

I don't think there is anyone who doubts this.
What I think is more likely, is that a class that is limited to the function of casting, is what they dont want to see any more. (And with SEs stance on instant cast ranged classes, we wont see anything with range abilities/spells, w/o some penalty like cast bars, any time soon.)

[Kaurie]

I don't think there is anyone who doubts this.

I am confused by your earlier post then, where you said "sarcasm off" and then said that BRD/MCH are casters, due to cast bars and remaining stationary..

-Sarcasm off-

We have 4 Caster DPS. yes MCH and BRD are casters now.
Saying they shouldnt be lumped together with BLM and SMN is like saying PLD shouldnt be lumped with DRK and WAR.

While I DO want more Mages, I'm not going to pretend there isnt enough ranged casters.

[Claire_Pendragon]

I am confused by your earlier post then, where you said "sarcasm off" and then said that BRD/MCH are casters, due to cast bars and remaining stationary..

The very statement you quoted shows I want more Mages.

While I DO want more Mages, I'm not going to pretend there isnt enough ranged casters.

Why would I say this?
And mechanically they ARE casters. (Just not mages)

If RDM and BLU can melee, then I'd be pretty content with "mages" and to some extent, limited "casting".

Also, My post is not directed solely at people who want magic users/mages, but those who want more casters.

i do.

You believe people only play mages for cast bars? (Im a bit confused here, as your next statement seems to be directed towards me, but is only about you liking BLM, rather than supporting the prior statement.)

[Kaurie]

The very statement you quoted shows I want more Mages.

Why would I say this?
And mechanically they ARE casters. (Just not mages)

If RDM and BLU can melee, then I'd be pretty content with "mages" and to some extent, limited "casting".

I see, I was thinking of caster and mage as synonymous. I want more mages, but I am not holding my breath. I am not a long time final fantasy fan, but all of the magic users I want (necromancer, Mesmer etc.) are not Final Fantasy traditions. I personally don't like the look of a Red Mage or Blue Mage.

[Leogun]

I see, I was thinking of caster and mage as synonymous. I want more mages, but I am not holding my breath. I am not a long time final fantasy fan, but all of the magic users I want (necromancer, Mesmer etc.) are not Final Fantasy traditions. I personally don't like the look of a Red Mage or Blue Mage.

Agreed. I hear so much request for Red and Blue mage but none of it sounds like it'd actually be unique or interesting. At best, if the game introduces "subjobs" that slightly altered a current job, Red Mage would be a subjob of White Mage that trades holy magic for elements (fire/ice/lightning) to basically make White Mage into a moderate DPS with some utility. It still doesn't sound very fun.

Which I think is the problem with most suggestions on RDM, they look nice on paper but would likely be boring and the same in practice. I think if you really want to have a RDM in this game, you should be looking for extra elements to incorporate into it (likely from other jobs that don't exist in the game) to meld with the concept of RDM...As for Blue Mage, I always disliked that job in its normal fashion.