Chinese costumes are out on Mogstation

[Chiramu]

Casual playerbase doesn't want to put effort into acquiring anything.

This is an insult to players who play MMOs casually and desire casual content in MMOs. Too bad there is not much truly casual content in FFXIV, dungeon grinding for gear takes a lot of time and if you play casually that is a lot of time wasted.

[cammi]

what would be effort? I want to know cause simply putting it in say deep dungeon like they did with that hair everyone wants you would STILL get people complaining about it cause of RNG and or grind wall. So what if it's "free" it'll be put behind some content alot of players don't want to do. Again they can't win, as people will complain no matter what they do. Even if they lower the price people will complain it's even there in the first place. What can SE really do here? People asked for it and even said they would pay for it.. what would YOU do if tons of people were asking you for a product and were willing to PAY for it? Ofcourse you'd give it away for free right? So why aren't things on the MB for free then? Before people slam SE on this maybe they should try practicing what they want SE to do.

Ofcourse that'll be crazy as people will say " But I took time to grind X content to make X item. Time is money etc etc." Maybe I'm missing something but the way I see it, with that thread being slammed with people willing to pay for them to bring that dress over here, what did you honestly expect SE to do? Pass up on money? Money they want/need as they are a company? This shouldn't be that big of a deal, and why am I defending this so bad when I don't even want the item? My life right now.

[Jynx]

So what if it's "free" it'll be put behind some content alot of players don't want to do.

*Gasp* People need to play the game for rewards? Heaven forbid they do that.

Your comparison to the market boards is also flawed as gil in the game is (For the most part) Only achievable by again...playing the game. Rewarding the players for...playing, this allows them to focus their efforts in fields they enjoy and use Gil to bypass some systems such as farming or gathering, where as those that supply the stock for the markets benefit in kind by providing others with a service they wish to not do themselves.

All of this happens in the game with no influence from the outside world other than the players interaction with the game and community, and these actions benifit all players by keeping people in the game and playing with eachother. purchasing something from the mog shop does nothing for the community nor does it involve the game in any way other than your interactions with your rewards after purchase. It's just bad game design to encourage people to NOT PLAY your game, sure the financial gain in the short term is good (Perhaps even great) But it damages your long term prospects.

Removing potential content, rewards, incentives, goals...all of these act to detract from the overall game experience for your players. Many may consider it a "Convenience" in a way it is, but it is also actively encouraging you to not play the game itself and instead designed to quickly spend your vested interests in short term cash purchases instead of investing the resources into the game itself.

It's not hard to wrap your head around business wise it's a good idea to extract as much cash from a property as fast as possible, they never know when the next WoW will release so why bet on the long game of retaining subscribers when they can get the cash now and players are more than willing to oblige?

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More to your original point. Why not both sides then?


Why not include the content in the game behind content and purchasable in the cash shop... Would not that actually be the most consumer focused way to introduce some of this vanity content?

I mean who would it hurt if that moogle mount could be earned through finishing the moogle beastmen tribe that takes weeks of dedicated playtime to accomplish...or to purchase it with cash to skip the actual work? As long as they kept the majority of the games content as...content only rewards I would be OK with the general cash shop content existing in both realms attainable ingame and out of game.

[cammi]

A reply that's not sarcasm. I'm shocked

If they did both then that I think would be the best way, that I agree with. To defend my point on the mb tho it was mainly that people would NEVER do that. It doesn't matter that it's just ingame gold, the point was that if the shoe was on the other foot people will do what SE did. They would charge for it. That was my main point on that example, yes it might've been a reaching example, BUT if you just look at the example it's the same thing.

But moving on from that example, yes they could've did both. But I see why they didn't, seeing as loud as the people who told them they would out right pay for it again, what was SE posed to do when a large amount of people kept begging them to put it in the shop to begin with? But what about the other example? THe hair one that's in deep dungeon? I only bring these things up as people will complain no matter what they do. I can see people complain about them putting the dress in the game AND the shop as people who did the quest would complain others can just buy it making their effect pointless. My biggest point is that SE can't win here no matter what they do, which is sad but what can you do. Again I'm not completely disagreeing with you. I'm just looking at both sides and seeing no answer in stock.

[Colorful]

what would be effort? I want to know cause simply putting it in say deep dungeon like they did with that hair everyone wants you would STILL get people complaining about it cause of RNG and or grind wall. So what if it's "free" it'll be put behind some content alot of players don't want to do. Again they can't win, as people will complain no matter what they do. Even if they lower the price people will complain it's even there in the first place. What can SE really do here? People asked for it and even said they would pay for it.. what would YOU do if tons of people were asking you for a product and were willing to PAY for it? Ofcourse you'd give it away for free right? So why aren't things on the MB for free then? Before people slam SE on this maybe they should try practicing what they want SE to do.

People are willing to pay for anything and everything. $1,000 for an Alexander 3 set? People will buy it, hell even $100 for just a glamour version of the weapons and it will be sold. The Alex 3 savage mount? It could be sold for $50, easily. They could remove event gear entirely and just give us just minions/furnishings and the gear would be sold, they could sell FF clothing instead of giving us veteran rewards, you even have people asking SE to sell those, they could sell the Type-0 hairstyles, etc. People won't unsubscribe because they still enjoy and love the game, and it's not bad enough to warrant quitting the game. Saying it should be sold because people would pay for it is a poor excuse, the only reason SE doesn't go that route is they don't want to sink their reputation.

The issue people have is the double dipping in a subscription based game, oh and before someone makes a comparison to WoW's cash shop compare the differences, I won't list dyes as they're earnable in game.

Pets: WoW - 11, FFXIV - 14
Mounts: WoW - 10, FFXIV - 6
Helmets (not including recoloured helmets as there's too many): WoW - 3, FFXIV - 7
Emotes: WoW - 0, FFXIV - 3
Barding: WoW - N/A, FFXIV - 2
Housing: WoW - N/A, FFXIV - 7
Cosmetic Sets: WoW - 0, FFXIV - 20+
Individual Pieces (summer clothing, yukata, weapons, earrings, etc.): WoW - 0, FFXIV 60+.
WoW specific items: Level up potion and WoW token.

WoW has been out for almost 12 years, FFXIV for a little over 3 years... can you spot the difference?

Changes we've seen since the implementation of the cash shop in WoW:
Get the negatives out of the way first, the colossal fuck up that was Warlords of Draenor and that's no understatement. Legion seems to be making up for it, but there's still plenty of time for that to be ruined too. There's also less mounts in game and that about covers it for negatives. Positives? Raids with far more attention to detail with massive visual improvements, more voice acted content globally, with a large amount of Legion being voice acted (even regular mobs are voice acted), addition of Australian servers, massive undertakings in programming in order to implement an amazing glamour log system and improved void storage, hand animated pre-rendered cutscenes (they're rare though, but happen more often than pre-WoD), that about covers the positives.

Changes we've seen the implementation of the cash shop in FFXIV:
No negatives as far as I can tell! Positives? European servers which are expected on launch for any MMORPG, but what else? Nothing. We had to sacrifice a dungeon to get more varied content such as Diadem and PotD, but otherwise it's the same content that's been released since 2.0. All the content that was promised is still delayed behind excuses such as server limitations, meaning no server improvements have been made, we still have no addon API, the major changes that were promised with Heavensward to compete with up and coming MMORPGs never came, no summoner egi glamour still, anything that is a massive undertaking hasn't been implemented.

How can anyone believe their funds are going back to FFXIV? The budget seems to have stayed the same since launch, bar the costs required to maintain the European servers. If anyone can tell me otherwise, please do so I can actually justify giving them extra money.

[NolLacnala]

More to your original point. Why not both sides then?

One of my all time favorite gifs

It's really troubling when one of the pit lords of MMO hell, NC Soft, can one up a triple-A company like SE by implementing an in-game exchange system for players to sell gold for cash shop currency

[Chiramu]

Pets: WoW - 11, FFXIV - 14
Mounts: WoW - 10, FFXIV - 6
Helmets (not including recoloured helmets as there's too many): WoW - 3, FFXIV - 7
Emotes: WoW - 0, FFXIV - 3
Barding: WoW - N/A, FFXIV - 2
Housing: WoW - N/A, FFXIV - 7
Cosmetic Sets: WoW - 0, FFXIV - 20+
Individual Pieces (summer clothing, yukata, weapons, earrings, etc.): WoW - 0, FFXIV 60+.
WoW specific items: Level up potion and WoW token.

Blizzard has also release minions on the cash shop where 100% of the proceeds went to charities. During Cataclysm they made the Cinder Kitten for the cash shop, 100% of his proceeds went to support the Red Cross in their relief efforts.

I wonder if SE will ever make things for charity too? If it goes to a good cause paying on the cash shop is perfectly acceptable.

[Felis]

Who exactly has rights in the region? I would assume SE has those rights, and then can make whatever decision they want?

In China it is Shanda Games

[cammi]

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And what is wrong with people spending their money how they want too? If people want to spend their money on insane toys and whatnot who cares? I also never said the money was going back into FFXIV. I only mentioned SE as a company is ofcourse going to answer to money.. why wouldn't they? Any company would do the same in this context. Again SE can't win here cause no matter what they do people will complain. The best options would've been to either A not bring the item here OR put it in the store and in the game behind an event.. that way atleast everyone can get it how they want too. But I feel like I'm wasting my typing as they didn't do both, they only answered to the people willing to throw their money at them. And for that I can't say I blame them, but then again I'm looking at it as if people want to spend their money then who am I to judge.

[Colorful]

And what is wrong with people spending their money how they want too? If people want to spend their money on insane toys and whatnot who cares? I also never said the money was going back into FFXIV. I only mentioned SE as a company is ofcourse going to answer to money.. why wouldn't they? Any company would do the same in this context. Again SE can't win here cause no matter what they do people will complain. The best options would've been to either A not bring the item here OR put it in the store and in the game behind an event.. that way atleast everyone can get it how they want too. But I feel like I'm wasting my typing as they didn't do both, they only answered to the people willing to throw their money at them. And for that I can't say I blame them, but then again I'm looking at it as if people want to spend their money then who am I to judge.

There's nothing wrong with people spending their money on whatever they please, nor did I say there was. Just stating what I personally believe to be a bad practice, and the argument that it should be sold because would buy it. I mean, do we really want levelling potions in FFXIV? Blizzard makes large sums from those alone, many people would buy it and it's not pay to win to top it all off. As for people always complaining, yes there's bound to be that one person who complains that they missed the event that was on for 2 months and they want it extended, but for the majority an in game event would be far preferred to being sold the item as long as it wasn't an extremely grindy event.

They sold it because people screamed "Sell this to me!" and I'm unsure why this community wants everything to be sold to them, and still continue to do so (I saw someone asking to be sold Edda's clothing at that). I've read the WoW forums on and off and I've only seen a few cases where people asked to be sold stuff, while it's very common on this board. Can I judge people for spending money when there's no option? No, it would be stupid to do so not to mention hypocritical. I can ask that people don't ask for everything they want to be on the Mogstation though. As for the comment on where the funds go, that's addressing other arguments I've seen elsewhere. Again, if someone can mention how our content has increased/improved since the introduction of the cash shop I'd happily be proved wrong. But hey, maybe they can get FFXV running at an alright 30 FPS before its launch now.