Squadrons are a let down for now

[Musashidon]

the big question really is *is this content half baked or what they really wanted*

while they did say hey we wanna let players do stuff with them eventually that doesn't say when or if it will even actually happen.

it's like saying hey we are adding platoons and we have cool ideas that we want to eventually do, but we aren't atm.

we as players set our own expectations based on our own personal biases.

[Kallera]

Saying that we shouldn't complain until we've tried it isn't much of a defense considering they've explained the whole process in 5 slides..and included a step for "wait".
step 2 even looks like a cutscene, so it'll probably be handled like the chocobo training, where you click an item to give away to do it. I'll be surprised if it isn't.

Because It looks like retainers and the chocobo companion, but worse on both ends.

Anyone calling this process "enjoying the management aspect" is out of their mind, imo. There is no management involved other than "am i giving them exp now, or not now?" No way to even put your team in actual combat, let alone test their behaviors. I'm not certain if there is personality or even personalizing, said squadron. I hope if we take them out to a dungeon they'll be a little more sociable than the typical df outing.

[Yurimi]

Saying that we shouldn't complain until we've tried it isn't much of a defense considering they've explained the whole process in 5 slides..and included a step for "wait".
step 2 even looks like a cutscene, so it'll probably be handled like the chocobo training, where you click an item to give away to do it. I'll be surprised if it isn't.

Because It looks like retainers and the chocobo companion, but worse on both ends.

Anyone calling this process "enjoying the management aspect" is out of their mind, imo. There is no management involved other than "am i giving them exp now, or not now?" No way to even put your team in actual combat, let alone test their behaviors. I'm not certain if there is personality or even personalizing, said squadron. I hope if we take them out to a dungeon they'll be a little more sociable than the typical df outing.

No NPC will ever have personality like WoW's Blook from garrison missions who every time he walks past me goes "Hail Blook beater." in aknowledgement of my besting them in combat. Long live Blook ; ;

[Cakekizyy]

It like you ppl want the crap at 100% day ONE.. GIVE THEM TIME TO TEST IT AND FIX BUG! Everyone shud know by now that SE will never give us something @ 100% day one. -_- just be happy we get it at all and move on for now.

It should be tested and bug free before it is launched.

[Jynx]

Okay but, why do you even care?

Why do you even care about what I care about?

To be honest I do care because placing content out peace meal like this effects how it's developed as a whole unit, leaving far more room for error and sloppy design.

Christ take housing as a perfect example of how releasing something half done, and then working on the second part afterwards can be a disaster of epic proportions instead of having fully tested, specked, and vetted content to release.

Housing has suffered from years of abuse from the developers. They started out half-baked with only Free Company housing and promised that they would work on a separate extension of the system for personal users.

Great right? In your mind it was perfect they released the content to us as soon as they could so we could get our hands on it. The reality of the situation would rear it's ugly head a few months down the line. Work on the separate housing system had gone radio silent and people were getting frustrated at the lack of communication, the developers in what can only be seen as a fit of panic decided instead of continuing to work on the individual housing system until it was ready to just flip the switch allowing individual players to purchase what was already a few premium paces of land set aside for Free Companies.

Chaos ensues.

• Players can no longer purchase any housing due to limited slots
• Crowded servers become home to shady practices selling homes
• Demolition of inactive players implemented and then placed on hiatus several times
• Developers work on expanding the current ward system instead of resolving the issue and for years fail to meet player expectation or demand, failing to understand the issue with one player being able to own several homes.
• Apartment complexes finally added after an enormous span of time from the initial release of housing and even then on some servers will be possibly unable to meet player demand.

I could go on but due to this whole charade of development, so much time has been sunk into trying to bandaid the housing system that it wouldn't be a hard reach to assume many developer hours were wasted that could have been put forward on other game systems or more unique systems for the housing systems interaction with players and companies.

A huge waste of potential just because they released the content early and gave up on their secondary expansion of the content. This...this is why it's not always a good idea to just "Release what's ready".

You don't have to agree with me but that's my take on the situation, and it's backed by events that actually took place within this game within the past few years.

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I do understand your want for "Something" rather than seeing nothing, but to me the real art and accomplishment in something like game development comes from being proud enough of your work to release it when it's done.

[Derio]

Hopefully it won't be a fail like diadem

[Cidel]

Hopefully it won't be a fail like diadem

Diadem didn't "fail," it just was the framework for the next part of it in the next major patch so they could finish it and add more content to it.

Give them a chance to finish their content.

[Pinkie_Pie]

Diadem didn't "fail," it just was the framework for the next part of it in the next major patch so they could finish it and add more content to it.

Give them a chance to finish their content.

I'm getting tired of them feeding me their tip of their girth, just give me the whole thing of content in my mouth.

[whiteblade89]

I don't see how anything is a let down for anyone yet considering that the content hasn't even released yet. how can you pass judgement on an unreleased system that surely won't even come to its full fruition until several patches after its release? If I were a dev on this game, I'd probably quit the industry based on the entitlement of most of the players here. If you're going to hate everything, at least have the common decency to bitch about it after its release.

[Stormfur]

Let's assume for a minute that they *did* wait until everything was done and polished before releasing it.

You'd hear:
"Why wouldn't you let us try it a little first and then give you some constructive feedback on how to make it better?"

This is, in essence, large-scale testing that can't be done between developers.