Please consider: Apartments to those that don't own a house first.

[Archaell]

As an aside: what exactly are folks spending all of these hundreds of millions that they make off of re-selling on? I've never got this. Are you hording hunting hawks? Are you doing this for a sense of power? Maybe they're just hording money for the sake of seeing the gil counter go up? I can't think of a single thing in this game that would require a cash flow like that is all I guess. It's honestly easier to justify greed in the real world because at least I can buy something other than a shinier pair of pants when it comes to actual money.

Reselling stuff is clean money ( I know sounds hilarious ) - it has no additional costs.While crafting etc. is just endless earning and spending.

I am just a poor blacksmith making kettles most of the time, but when I started crafting I realized one thing - You can never have enough gil.

When I was just a simple white mage I had about 1M and was happy with it.

Then I started crafting some low level items and was happy with having few millions. This allowed me to start buying simple things like furniture for my new FC room.

Then I hit level 60 and was... shocked! I needed gear, I needed melds. That moment my perception of gil shifted. Suddenly I was not even able to afford crafting materials because HQ mats cost more than HQ products and I lacked the gear/melds to compete with the market.

Gear and melds cost money. A lot of money. You can look at someone making 100M through resale of a house and alone it seems like they will never ever need more gil.

But if they decided to start crafting... the full crafting gear about 30M (depends on the market). Melding? Easily 10M a piece => 13 slots x 10M => 130M + 30M = 160M. And help derp you are minus 60M and you wonder where did all the gil go~

tl;dr A lot of money for one person is not enough money for another one.

[MomomiMomi]

But if they decided to start crafting... the full crafting gear about 30M (depends on the market). Melding? Easily 10M a piece => 13 slots x 10M => 130M + 30M = 160M. And help derp you are minus 60M and you wonder where did all the gil go~

If you're crafting then why the heck are you buying crafting gear? Kind of defeating the purpose there. Unless if you're doing it at the early point of a patch to earn hundreds of millions back in return. In which case... well, you're at the point where you don't even need gil anymore.

Also, if you're spending that much on melding, you're doing it wrong.

[Archaell]

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Aren't you a little bitter popoto :3

If you're crafting then why the heck are you buying crafting gear? Kind of defeating the purpose there.

Maybe because it's locked behind specialists? You know you can have only three... but I was talking about the instance when a non-crafter would start crafting. Some people make their gil by other means than crafting. Or maybe they just need pentamelded gear for raiding. etc.

Unless if you're doing it at the early point of a patch to earn hundreds of millions back in return. In which case... well, you're at the point where you don't even need gil anymore.

Unless you are not a full-time crafter. Personally I make enough to buy stuff and have left enough gil to give it away... yet I have no where enough gil to pay for max crafting melds.

Also, if you're spending that much on melding, you're doing it wrong.

Here you got me interested. How do you make grade V materias break less during overmelding?

[Harlow]

tl;dr A lot of money for one person is not enough money for another one.

I mean, I can dig that concept having all the crafts at 60 myself and having friends that, like, a million gil is legit money to them but after patch day rolls by and you get your new crafting gear in one way or another and meld it up what do you spend gil on for the next literal year until the next set drops? Taking it one step further why even bother going all out with melds when you can make a ton of cash even just being geared in a junky old set of HQ Chimerical Felt gear with standard melds? I've honestly all but run out of things to buy and I'm not even a dude who goes out of his way to make money or anything at this point. If I start getting low I just pound out a few specialist glamour pieces, make a couple mil and I don't have to worry about it.

Point being, it's beyond easy to make cash in a legitimate fashion in this game to cover anything you could ever want. There's no reason for folks to do morally dubious stuff like screw other players over and buy up as much housing as they can just because Yoshi and team didn't think a housing feature all the way through again and there's nothing to outright stop them.

[Archaell]

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Personally, whenever there is more gil than I need I either waste it on getting few more points through better melding or I give away stuff to other players. You can never run out of people who could use something ^^"

It heavily depends on the server of course. For example on Ragnarok it seems like everyone and their mother is crafting so unless you want to spend entire day changing prices the good stuff doesn't sell much.

Making gil being "beyond easy" is subjective. If the player makes 500k a day etc, and they can make 50M in few hours by resale it's a big difference... tbh I kinda doubt that the rich crafters would bother that much with it, because as you said, they can make gil when they want to.

btw. In my opinion, I know it sounds crazy, if you (general you) don't have a house it's better for you that someone who wants to resell it buys it. Why? Because if the person buys it to sell you can buy it from them with enough gil/friendship/eRP or whatever they want from you. The house is still available - it just costs slightly more.

[Harlow]

Personally, whenever there is more gil than I need I either waste it on getting few more points through better melding or I give away stuff to other players. You can never run out of people who could use something ^^"

Ah, the trick I use is that I've given myself a gil floor of 20mil. That gives me a bunch of cash to work with if anything weird comes up and it lets me make minions and stuff for my friends without much worry.

Making gil being "beyond easy" is subjective. If the player makes 500k a day etc, and they can make 50M in few hours by resale it's a big difference

This just kind of comes back to the question of "why would anyone need to make 50m in a few hours?" I guess. Maybe Balmung just has an awesome economy or something but I'm struggling to think of a single thing that's over 12mil and that's, like, the hunting hawk because people don't play the diadem much. I can, off the top of my head, think of a handful of things that you could do at level 60 to make well over 100k a day without ever even touching a crafting class.

btw. In my opinion, I know it sounds crazy, if you (general you) don't have a house it's better for you that someone who wants to resell it buys it. Why? Because if the person buys it to sell you can buy it from them with enough gil/friendship/eRP or whatever they want from you. The house is still available - it just costs slightly more.

I mean, if by "slightly" you mean four times the original cost? Also the scenario where someone happens to befriend a house hunter and they like you so much that they sacrifice 20 million gil that they bought that small plot specifically to make because you're such a good guy seems shaky at best.

[Archaell]

I mean, if by "slightly" you mean four times the original cost?

One of the issues could be that the plots have certain price set by the game while the actual price is much higher due to the limited amount of plots and the gil in such amount being easily available. Then the players who achieve the in-game price feel like they are being cheated by the players selling the houses for profit, because they think that were it not for the reseller they could have bought it for the original price.

I don't think so. It could happen of course, but more likely the plot would have been bought by some other player and being lost forever.

A plot being on the marker for higher price is not perfect, but it seems better than plot being off the market entirely. For example if someone wanted my house they would have to take it over my dead sub :P (or wait till I move somewhere else). On the other hand if I bought the house to make money they would be able to get it for high enough price.

[MomomiMomi]

One of the issues could be that the plots have certain price set by the game while the actual price is much higher due to the limited amount of plots and the gil in such amount being easily available. Then the players who achieve the in-game price feel like they are being cheated by the players selling the houses for profit, because they think that were it not for the reseller they could have bought it for the original price.

I don't think so. It could happen of course, but more likely the plot would have been bought by some other player and being lost forever.

There's a fault in your logic. If nobody had bought it for the act of reselling the house, then someone would have bought it because they actually wanted it at its game designated price. What you're actually doing is screwing that person out of money, or a house.

[Archaell]

There's a fault in your logic. If nobody had bought it for the act of reselling the house, then someone would have bought it because they actually wanted it at its game designated price. What you're actually doing is screwing that person out of money, or a house.

Alright let's say that nobody would buy houses for profit.

What happens next?

People are going to complain that some RPers buy houses for their alts.

Let's say that there are no alts.

Then people are going to complain that person x does not decorate their house and just has it.

Let's say that all the people would decorate their houses.

Then people are going to complain that person x does not spend time in their house...

There would always be something. Yet in the case of resale the house is still on the market while in the other instances it's lost.

btw. All the players have the same chance to buy a house when the new wards are added. The last time that happened I took a day off from work to buy a mansion in Mist... I got stuck in Q and had to settle for a medium house in Goblet. Was I mad about the Q? Well of course. But it was fair race so I had to get over it.