Please consider: Apartments to those that don't own a house first.

[loreleidiangelo]

Wrong there is a morals and saying being totally selfish is just as moral as people who arn't is an out and out lie.

I didn't say we should, but god forbid players try to ease a burden for the time being -_-

You are completely missing my point. What you view as morally inapprpriate behavior (multi-house owning, property flipping), others might view as acceptable practices of modern capitalism. You CANNOT saddle the playerbase with an arbitrary moral code, whether you like it or not.

Square can set "rules", or "terms", with clear consequences for those who flout or break them, but any "honor code" invented by the playerbase is total rubbish and holds no real bearing outside of potential social repercussions (blacklisting "early hunt pullers", run sellers, or other practitioners of concepts you don't personally agree with).

[RayneLittlewinkle]

I really do wish they would put a lock on house owners accounts for the first week. I have a house in Lav beds, and i understand about the housing space limit and wanting more storage..but there are people who doesnt even have a place to store their things in the first place. I'm not talking about some snot nose new person who's just joining the game but some veteran players who's been playing for years and still never managed to get a home some how.

While I know it won't happen. I wish they would add that.

[Zojha]

[...]but any "honor code" invented by the playerbase is total rubbish and holds no real bearing outside of potential social repercussions

Note that this is pretty much what laws IRL are. Laws have no substance - they gain relevance because we as populace have agreed to heed them and designated law enforcement units to increase the efficiency of "social repercussions". "Don't kill innocent people" is nothing but an arbitrary honor code we want to see enforced, hence we made it law. And even a dictator cannot hope to see their demands enforced without people supporting them.

Video games like to play with that bit - killing might not be universally considered a bad thing. Some might consider killing the old and weak fair game. Or suppressing a gender/race. Conflict between law and justice is a common theme - public uprisings because the laws clash with the underlying honor code of the populace.

That said, I wouldn't knock off "arbitrary honor codes" just like that. It's how we govern our life.

[Mimilu]

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All I got from this post >w> ♥

[Cakekizyy]

Oh i just mean your signature is correct. A cash shop as big as the one we have in this game should not exist in a sub MMO. There should be in-game ways to obtain these items or they should be way less expensive. $25 for a moogle mount? That's half a new game...

This is a tiny cash shop for a mmo.

[Charlayy]

There should be a week long lock preventing those that currently own a FC house or a private residence from obtaining an apartment.

No there shouldn't be. Typical greed.

[RyuDragnier]

No there shouldn't be. Typical greed.

But if you have a house...why the hell do you even need an apartment to begin with? The FC house I agree is stupid, but owning your own house? You don't need an apartment, sorry.

[Harlow]

Man, this discussion happens in every thread about housing. It's this whole idea of "As long as Yoshi himself doesn't step in and tell me I'm doing something wrong then what I'm doing is obviously fine". Based on how many people feel this way you'd think that they actually would step in at some point but I figure that they don't have time or just don't really care that much at this point. I personally don't own a house right now because it's like putting a dog collar around my neck and promising SE that I'll keep my sub up non-stop.

As an aside: what exactly are folks spending all of these hundreds of millions that they make off of re-selling on? I've never got this. Are you hording hunting hawks? Are you doing this for a sense of power? Maybe they're just hording money for the sake of seeing the gil counter go up? I can't think of a single thing in this game that would require a cash flow like that is all I guess. It's honestly easier to justify greed in the real world because at least I can buy something other than a shinier pair of pants when it comes to actual money.

[CUTS3R]

But if you have a house...why the hell do you even need an apartment to begin with? The FC house I agree is stupid, but owning your own house? You don't need an apartment, sorry.

I can't place anymore stuff in my house.

[Archaell]

As an aside: what exactly are folks spending all of these hundreds of millions that they make off of re-selling on? I've never got this. Are you hording hunting hawks? Are you doing this for a sense of power? Maybe they're just hording money for the sake of seeing the gil counter go up? I can't think of a single thing in this game that would require a cash flow like that is all I guess. It's honestly easier to justify greed in the real world because at least I can buy something other than a shinier pair of pants when it comes to actual money.

Reselling stuff is clean money ( I know sounds hilarious ) - it has no additional costs.While crafting etc. is just endless earning and spending.

I am just a poor blacksmith making kettles most of the time, but when I started crafting I realized one thing - You can never have enough gil.

When I was just a simple white mage I had about 1M and was happy with it.

Then I started crafting some low level items and was happy with having few millions. This allowed me to start buying simple things like furniture for my new FC room.

Then I hit level 60 and was... shocked! I needed gear, I needed melds. That moment my perception of gil shifted. Suddenly I was not even able to afford crafting materials because HQ mats cost more than HQ products and I lacked the gear/melds to compete with the market.

Gear and melds cost money. A lot of money. You can look at someone making 100M through resale of a house and alone it seems like they will never ever need more gil.

But if they decided to start crafting... the full crafting gear about 30M (depends on the market). Melding? Easily 10M a piece => 13 slots x 10M => 130M + 30M = 160M. And help derp you are minus 60M and you wonder where did all the gil go~

tl;dr A lot of money for one person is not enough money for another one.