How would you change Nocturnal AST to be competitive against SCH?

[Kabzy]

So your solution to mimicking the fairie is to have to spam an OGCD every 3 seconds? That sounds incredibly fun.

Also if your plan is to make them compete with SCH, all you're doing is shifting the imbalance to off-healers. Now WHM will be irreplaceable and you're essentially in the same situation again. Unless you're actually suggesting they get all these buffs while maintaining their Diurnal spells. In which case, lets just slap on a third tank stance and be done with the job. :'D

And I don't understand your comment about "strong enough for AST x SCH comps". AST x SCH is arguably already the better healer comp out there, WHM doesn't bring the same amount of utility as an AST.

[Bdyer]

Since a lot of the issue is around the fairy... Why not give the fairy an mp bar and make its heals based on your Current mind? Wouldn't that solve most of the main super advantages of the sch?

[Rawrz]

Since a lot of the issue is around the fairy... Why not give the fairy an mp bar and make its heals based on your Current mind? Wouldn't that solve most of the main super advantages of the sch?

You do that and SCH becomes the weakest off healer and weakest main healer. Regen will stay based on the snapshot of your "at the cast"-mind.

[zuzu-bq]

AST (diurnal) = burst healing, regen, buffs

Dirunal doesn't have bursts except for heals on your Synastry target. Their only OGCD heal can be a burst or not depending on how you use/time. I'd say Dirunal master single target regens more than WHM thanks to Time Dilatation.
Nocturnal has more burst thanks to the potency passive, stronger shields overall specially when you synastry to aoe shield people. What throws the ballance of on SCH are mainly their pet potencial to spam Embraces and Indomitability.

I think to balance Nocturnal they could just keep adding special effects to stuff when the sect is active like they did with Aspected spells' shielding potency. Those changes were very nice. But we can speculate as much as we want and only wait for changes be them still on Heavensward cycle or next expansion.

And please stop saying AST has no identity. All jobs form the same role has similar skills somehow. And healer damage won't be their focus for balance.

[Fyce]

Buffs won't help Noct. Sect at this point. It is widely recognised that SCH excels in its' role due to the fairies presence. If you look at SCHs healing identity, it's all about shielding, and AST is already more potent in that, outside of D.Tactics.

Isn't this whole issue mostly related to the fact that the current raiding meta is extremely biased towards having as much sustained DPS as possible in order to make boss phases as short as they can be overall?

If we were to look at Coil's raiding scene and think about "what if" AST was already available during this era, I'm pretty sure that N.AST would be as welcome as a SCH in the off-heal slot, if not more... especially at Lv.50.

So, I guess that if instead of changing the jobs around SE changed the meta to make Healer's DPS less of a thing, or simply confine in in burst phases where being able to heal while DPSing isn't relevant (something like Ravana, for example), then the off-healer slot could be contested by N.AST way more easily.

I know that a lot of people like the new "Healer-DPS" meta, but maybe a middle ground can be found there.

[Esmir]

And please stop saying AST has no identity. All jobs form the same role has similar skills somehow. And healer damage won't be their focus for balance.

Oh it has one. But imo it is weak. It is borrowed concepts with a poor design other than the cards. Please, do not tell me what to say as it is opinion based. Be courteous ^.^

[Nekotee]

Let's not think about bahamut coil with ast
Because it will mainly make whm cry since ifnyou compare
The AST slay all the ability of the whm by far

Synastrie alone kill everything XD

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On a side note burst healing for ast mean using lightspeed which is available in both sect

[Kabzy]

Isn't this whole issue mostly related to the fact that the current raiding meta is extremely biased towards having as much sustained DPS as possible in order to make boss phases as short as they can be overall?

I also thought this at one point, but less so now.

They could easily change healing requirements to be tougher in future raids, but I think the damage has been done now. It's always going to be about the off-healer looking to DPS as much as possible. This entire Alex raid has essentially taught us to do our jobs this way, so i don't think people will ever stop at this point.

In my opinion, back in the coil days I think we healed more because for a lot of us it was our first raid and we felt like we needed to excel in our primary roles. If we were to go back now and do those raids again, I can guarantee you that SCHs would be DPSing much more, and WHMs would be looking at how they can manage solo healing the fights. Alex has taught both healers how to really push themselves and manage their roles optimally, I don't think these skills will get dropped regardless of how they try to change the raid meta.

And this is why I feel that another healer is needed, so they can essentially fill this hybrid role that exists with SCH.

[Rennies]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...6_astrologian/

What are your thoughts on this? I'm super excited to see what they have in store. Maybe they'll make every card worth using!!

[Nekotee]

Teaser !

I can't wait to see an other evolution of the ast ! (Sound like a pkmn)

I don't mind a bad or good change, because the change itself iq exciting
You get to learn and adapt which is fun !

I do hope we got something to shut up all those peasant that whine about "how weak" the ast is compared to whm
And also i want à more horrible card system, with more card or more effect ! (Yes masochistic Kitty here, who think that 24combi is not enough for my brain XD)